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Yes in the case of the villagers, No for the American participants 14 17.28%
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Old 11-13-2006, 04:40 PM   #76
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Yes the Americans were stupid and should be exposed in the way that some were, the bigots and misogynists esp.

The villagers in Romania however were conned and misled, they should be compensated.

I love the double standards of some here, I find it quite quite amusing and revealing.

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I said they were stupid, I never said they deserved it. I voted in favor of him being sued!
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i gathered how u voted b-scotch.

i think u and i are on the same page here.

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Old 11-13-2006, 09:47 PM   #78
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I personnally think you have to have a lot of humor for that movie, especially if you are Jewish...

Me and my friends thought it was hilarious and we always say "Hi five!" to each other...

I vote with Borat because people shouldn't just assume something, they have to make sure of it, even if it has to be on paper, if everything was on paper then they should bring that to court (if they do) to even show it was on paper..
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The lawsuits are ridiculous.
It's satire!!

I love how the villagers would have been okay with the film if they received more money,
nice values...
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:35 PM   #80
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Where are you getting that idea from? None of them say that anywhere in the article.
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hmmm wild ideas i guess...

"They made us look like primitives, like uncivilised savages. Now they're making millions but have only paid us 15 lei [around £3]."
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"He said he was ashamed, confessing that he only agreed to be filmed because he hoped to top up his £70-a-month salary - although in the end he was paid just £3."

everything boils down to money
and i mean that about both sides
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:51 AM   #82
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All of the feminists I know, myself included, are pro-choice. Not 'anti men' at all. I don't understand how you mean views of men which are totally behind the times?
So feminism boils down to reproductive rights? That's the only qualification?
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hmmm wild ideas i guess...

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"They made us look like primitives, like uncivilised savages. Now they're making millions but have[i] only paid us 15 lei [around £3]."
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"He said he was ashamed, confessing that he only agreed to be filmed because he hoped to top up his £70-a-month salary - although in the end he was paid just £3."
everything boils down to money
Yes, I noticed that the low wages paid to them were cited several times as an insult-to-injury type factor. But nowhere do any of them suggest that they "would have been okay with the film if they received more money"; on the contrary, it seems clear from the article that what disturbed them most was the way their lifestyle was portrayed and that this was not at all in line with what they'd been led to expect. That's quite a cynical leap to get out of it that they would have been happy to overlook all of that if they'd simply been paid more.

I just think it's unrealistic to expect people living in a remote farmers' and peddlers' village without even running water to be in a position to grasp the implications of it all being "just satire," especially given the language barrier. Rural Romania is nothing like anywhere in the US and Roma (gypsies) in particular tend to be extremely socially and culturally marginalized even relative to surrounding ethnic communities.
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it all depends on how the contract/waiver was written. if it's clearly stated what they will be appearing in on the waiver, even if it's in the smallest of small prints, then it's there own damn fault.

don't agree to anything without fully reading the contract.
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So feminism boils down to reproductive rights? That's the only qualification?
...Sorry? I literally have no idea what your talking about!
I just basically think reducing the feminists in the film to just ridiculous 'men' wasn't funny.
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Here's another article.
Note I only have a problem with what Borat did with the villagers.

I don't have too much sympathy for any of the educated Americans that chose to make fools of themselves.

Yolland if you could add a third option to the poll questions:

#3 Yes, but I think only the villagers should be compensated because they were taken advantage of much more than the Americans (or something to that effect) I'd apprecaite it.

Anyway here's the article:

Now Romanians Say 'Borat' Misled Them
Nov 14 9:08 AM US/Eastern

By WILLIAM J. KOLE
Associated Press Writer

GLOD, Romania






The name of this remote Romanian village means "mud," and that's exactly what angry locals are throwing at comedian Sacha Baron Cohen.
Cohen used Glod's Gypsies as stand-ins for Kazakhs in his runaway hit movie, "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan." Now offended villagers are threatening to sue the film's producers for paying them a pittance to put farm animals in their homes and perform other crude antics.



Residents and local officials in the hardscrabble hamlet 85 miles northwest of Bucharest said Tuesday they were horrified and humiliated to learn their abject poverty and simple ways were ridiculed for a movie now raking in millions at box offices worldwide.

"We thought they came here to help us _ not mock us," said Dana Luca, 40, sweeping a manure-stained street lined with shabby homes of crumbling brick and corrugated iron sheeting.

"We haven't got anything here. We haven't got running water. We can't even bathe," she said. "We are poor people, but we are still people."

Nicolae Staicu, leader of the 1,670 Gypsies, or Roma, who eke out a living in one of the most impoverished corners of Romania, said he and other officials would meet with a public ombudsman on Wednesday to map out a legal strategy against Cohen and "Borat" distributor 20th Century Fox.

Staicu accused the producers of paying locals just $3.30-$5.50, misleading the village into thinking the movie would be a documentary, refusing to sign proper filming contracts and enticing easily exploited peasants into performing crass acts.

Only five villagers have jobs at a nearby sanatorium and a stone quarry, Staicu said. The rest weave baskets, grow apples, pears and plums, gather mushrooms in the dense Carpathian Mountain forests rising above the town, or raise a few scrawny chickens.

With no gas heating or indoor plumbing, most keep warm with wood stoves and drink from wells. Horse-drawn carts far outnumber automobiles on unpaved, badly potholed roads, and mangy stray dogs growl and snap at strangers. Acrid fires smolder in trash piles on the outskirts of the village, and children _ their clothing worn and torn _ play in yards littered with stumps, scrap metal and other bric-a- brac.

"These people are poor and they were tricked by people more intelligent than us," he said. "They took one of our 75-year-old ladies, put huge silicone breasts on her and said she was 47. Another man they filmed to look like the poorest person in the world, and one of our men who is missing an arm had a plastic sex toy taped to his stump."

"We are suing because they were not truthful," added Staicu, who said he saw parts of "Borat" and was disgusted.

"They did not film reality," he said. "We've really had enough of this."

Neither Cohen's agent in London nor 20th Century Fox's offices in Los Angeles immediately returned phone messages Tuesday from The Associated Press.

The mood in Glod, meanwhile, was tense and volatile, with crowds of angry, shouting villagers repeatedly gathering around reporters.

One man was seen slapping his sister, who had appeared in the film, and slamming the gate to his ramshackle home shut to keep her from being interviewed. At another point, a resident threatened news photographers with a stick, and another pelted their car with rocks.

People in the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan, where the mustachioed Cohen's character hails from as a TV journalist on an adventure across America, also have decried how they are depicted in the film, whose opening scenes were shot in Glod.

Two members of a fraternity at a South Carolina university who appear making drunken, insulting comments about women and minorities also are suing 20th Century Fox and three production companies, claiming the crew liquored them up in a bar before filming and told them the movie would not be shown in the United States.

Not everyone in Glod is upset. Sorina Luca, 25, excitedly described how she was given $3.30 to bring a pig into her home and let the producers put a toy rifle into the hands of her 5-year-old daughter for one scene.

"I really liked it," she said. "We are poor and miserable. Nothing ever happens here."

But a 23-year-old woman who gave her name only as Irina said she felt bewildered and dismayed that Glod's poverty was reduced to a parody.

The smash success of "Borat," she said, just rubbed salt in Glod's collective wounds.

The film remained the No. 1 weekend draw at U.S. movie theaters for a second week, grossing $28.3 million, according to the latest figures released Monday.

"They made us put a cow in our living room, and they made it defecate and urinate in the house. Everyone's angry because they didn't pay them the way they should have," she said.

"They're making a lot of money _ but they've made us a laughing stock."
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Note I only have a problem with what Borat did with the villagers.

I don't have too much sympathy for any of the educated Americans that chose to make fools of themselves.

Diamond, I thought you said that those of us who said as much were showing a double-standard.

Did I misunderstand you on the previous page, or have you simply changed your mind?
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ms. corianderstem,

yes, i think you misunderstood, allow me to clarify.

contextually speaking i was referring to bleeding hearts who always champion the underdog, the down troddened and the like (usually those of the liberal mindset) but everything is thrown out the window due to the villagers signing a document they didn't understand (or were lied to about) all for a few laughs, labeling the villagers as "money hungry" ect.

get it?

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Ladies and Gentleman and other participants in this thread,

The Poll has been slightly modified thanks to a request and if you want to vote again you are free to do so.

I think i need to thank Yolland or whoever made this available.

Should Borat have to pay damages for misleading and duping unsuspecting people ?


1-Yes
2-No
3-Yes in the case of the villagers, No for the American participants

*See Poll at top of thread
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contextually speaking i was referring to bleeding hearts who always champion the underdog, the down troddened and the like (usually those of the liberal mindset) but everything is thrown out the window due to the villagers signing a document they didn't understand (or were lied to about) all for a few laughs, labeling the villagers as "money hungry" ect.

Your "perception" of people makes me laugh.
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