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Old 11-13-2006, 12:06 AM   #61
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Yes, most definitely.

But it's possible Cohen figured the satire would be so obvious that no one would even consider believing his outrageous comments could be true and figure it would be all in good fun. He has done this before on The Ali G Show playing Borat in a village. I don't know where that village was but it was basically the exact same schtick. It's also possible that these villagers or someone connected to the village found out about the huge revenues of the movie and is trying to get their share somehow. If a suit was successful, how much money would directly go to the individuals of the village anyway? (again cynical)
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:54 AM   #62
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I don't know if you've ever seen it, but there's a very interesting sketch that Baron Cohen did in his 'Bruno' character, a gay Austrian fashion reporter. He basically got chummy with all these student wrestlers and got them to do all sorts of homoerotic things, and then at the end he got one of them to say 'and hello to Austria Gay TV!'

The wrestler freaked out completely and apparently he punched one of Cohen's cameramen. And that reminded me of the frat boy story.

Still, sometimes I question myself why I'm laughing. It's like Dave Chappelle and his story about the racist pixie sketch he was doing - he suddenly felt he was being laughed at, rather than being laughed with.

The problem I have with Borat and with Baron Cohen's comedy in general, is that I wonder audiences now have a politically correct outlet for their prejudices, at the expense of someone who is probably from their same background (middle-class etc). I don't know if there ever is a palpable sense of 'hey, thank God it wasn't me on camera' too.

I don't really know. For the record I like Borat, Ali G and Baron Cohen and I will definitely see this film once it's released, but when he does dodgy things like putting the song about throwing the Jews down the well on the soundtrack of his movie, it removes the context of satire that is intended in the film (ie. of the folks in the bar singing along).

And I don't buy the argument just because Cohen is Jewish changes anything either.
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:15 AM   #63
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Yeah, Borat should be ashamed of himself for introducing us to a town we never heard of filled with people we know nothing about in a country most of us can't find on a map and then exploiting them to make us laugh at our own ignorance.
Do you think it would of made a difference if it was filmed in another country?
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Old 11-13-2006, 11:02 AM   #64
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Yes. These people were conned. I'd be furious if it happened to me. He gained peoples' trust under false pretenses. He was wrong.

I do however think some of the people were stupid for being fooled.
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Old 11-13-2006, 11:18 AM   #65
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This is Ridiculous. You ok with him if he made fun of certain people (mainly right wing since you "HATE") them but you find it offensive when he makes fun of your glorious left wing?? If you watched the film he does make fun of Right wing people too, such as the Rodeo scene.
My glorious left wing?! when on earth did i mention that?
In one scene he makes fun of a racist and completely homophobic republican - he makes him look ridiculous because he is saying some really ridiculous stuff about gay people.
That I can deal with.
But making fun of feminists, who are furthering a just cause ... in my opinion thats just wrong.

I HATED this film and pretty much hate the people with such narrow minded homophobic views, and in my opinion they deserved to be belittled if they are willing to say such belittling things about other people.
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Oh Plu-ease; making fun of sacred cows is the cornerstone of great humour, you may find it wrong, and thats fine, but there is a strong case that such edgy comedy is good for society. It's the only way to get at the humourless and dour fundamentalists who furthur causes, I think it's great and should be employed more against all targets of which I think that feminists are totally legit; along with the religious, gay, rich, poor etc.
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Oh Plu-ease; making fun of sacred cows is the cornerstone of great humour, you may find it wrong, and thats fine, but there is a strong case that such edgy comedy is good for society. It's the only way to get at the humourless and dour fundamentalists who furthur causes, I think it's great and should be employed more against all targets.
You're right - it is funny, especially for people that can take it all tongue in cheek.
But I know that most of the people going (especially where i live) to see it are teenage kids, and they are all adopting that ridiculous idea about feminists looking like men and it being acceptable for jewish people to be humiliated in such a manner.
Maybe the certifiate should have been higher.
I don't know if Borat should be sued, I don't know if its already been answered - but did the people featuring in the film know they were going to be in it?
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The film hasn't come out yet (in Australia), but going on the basis of Da Ali G Show with the riviting Throw the Jew Down the Well what's wrong with highlighting anti-semitism by bringing it to the surface with an ignorant persona? Anti-Jewish attacks are on the rise all over, I don't think that highlighting prevalent views is part of the problem - it's part of the solution (plus it's really funny).
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My glorious left wing?! when on earth did i mention that?
In one scene he makes fun of a racist and completely homophobic republican - he makes him look ridiculous because he is saying some really ridiculous stuff about gay people.
That I can deal with.
But making fun of feminists, who are furthering a just cause ... in my opinion thats just wrong.

I HATED this film and pretty much hate the people with such narrow minded homophobic views, and in my opinion they deserved to be belittled if they are willing to say such belittling things about other people.
Feminists are just as narrow minded as racists and homophobes. They have a view of men that is totally behind the times.
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I just think that alot of people aren't going to find it ironic, and some are likely to adopt those views.
Arguably people so niave shouldn't be allowed to watch films...
But it happens, I know plenty of boys in my school who have started quoting from the film and not in an ironic sense at all. Most of them actually think Borat is being dead serious, and that all the anti-semitism is hilarious in the literal sense.

However I thought Da Ali G show was brilliant, i was a huge fan and walked in Borat expecting to love it.
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Feminists are just as narrow minded as racists and homophobes. They have a view of men that is totally behind the times.
All of the feminists I know, myself included, are pro-choice. Not 'anti men' at all. I don't understand how you mean views of men which are totally behind the times?
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It should all be open for discussion and mockery, anyone who walks out of a movie and literally hates Jews was probably harboring that bigotry before (the film is hardly Der Ewige Juden) and misandry represented by bull dyke caricatures is offensive and I think funny, if only for the response.
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Yes. These people were conned. I'd be furious if it happened to me. He gained peoples' trust under false pretenses. He was wrong.

I do however think some of the people were stupid for being fooled.
Yes the Americans were stupid and should be exposed in the way that some were, the bigots and misogynists esp.

The villagers in Romania however were conned and misled, they should be compensated.

I love the double standards of some here, I find it quite quite amusing and revealing.

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So should Rick Mercer be open to lawsuits for Talking to Americans? He asked fake questions exposing the ignorance of people and getting a huge laugh. The people signed waivers and voila, appear on Canadian television looking like idiots.

http://home.comcast.net/~wwwstephen/americans/

Satire is sometimes cruel and I get the impression from the article that if they were paid more money, the village wouldn't have been so offended.

It also brings up the question, well, since we are all now so aware of these people living in an impoverished community, is anyone going to help them or just interview them about how they were misled? Perhaps the government of Romania should be doing more to help these people and eliminate the discrimination they face. Without their exposure on this film, which most reasonable people know is not factual (who would think they really drink urine, but then again there are the people from Talking to Americans ), no one would realize their despair.
Trev,

As you read my posts you can probasbly gauge that I'm not too rigid of a personality.

You make some decent points on satire however you can't compare stupid Americans with impoverished and uneducated villagers; your analogy has holes in it.

It would have been better for Borat to have been upfront with the villagers; first, negoiated with those that wanted to participate, disclosng everything and then there would have been no law suits from Romania.

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The film hasn't come out yet (in Australia), but going on the basis of Da Ali G Show with the riviting Throw the Jew Down the Well what's wrong with highlighting anti-semitism by bringing it to the surface with an ignorant persona? Anti-Jewish attacks are on the rise all over, I don't think that highlighting prevalent views is part of the problem - it's part of the solution (plus it's really funny).

Youre view is the same as mine pretty much. A lot of people here cant face those kind of attacks and a great way to bring them to light and deal with them is through humor. I dont see anything wrong with it. The entire controversy (aside from that village who probably have bigger issues than being portrayed wrong) is wrongly portraying people, but its actually portraying these people and their ridiculous ideas. I see nothing wrong with it. Then to know its all a joke.....just laugh a little maybe?
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