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Old 12-13-2006, 12:22 PM   #1
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Book Review: Bill O'Rielly's "Culture Warrior"

I must say, this New York Times bestseller was a great read.

Bill O'Rielly has clearly outlined that America is in the midst of a culture war. On the one side, the "secular progressives" are attacking judeo-christian heritage while the "traditionalists" are standing on the sidelines and, in effect, letting their cherished values diminish. Bill calls on the traditional forces to mobilize and become traditional warriors in order to save the country.

This is a fantastic book. I enjoyed O'Rielly's writing style and he makes a very convincing argument. Love him or hate him, O'Rielly's findings are rock solid. For those left leaning members of this forum (99% of you), I recommend that you give this a read to better understand tradionalist thought process and values.

Anyone else read this?
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that book has as much credibility as any other piece of merchandise Bill wants to hawk to his followers.

he's in it for a buck, and a brand.

http://www.billoreilly.com/store

and America's foundational "values" can be found in the secular Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th Centuries. John Locke has much, much more to do with our system of governmet than Jesus Christ.
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Old 12-13-2006, 12:29 PM   #3
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Have you read it? If not, why do you assume it has little credibility?
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Have you read it? If not, why do you assume it has little credibility?


because it's Bill O'Reilly.

he's not an intellectual. he's not an historian. he's a pundit. he's not as shrill as, say, Ann Coulter, but his pirmary motivations are to increase the scope of his brand. i'm sure he believes the things he says, and it's not to say that he's "wrong," but accurate or not isn't the point or the motivation for his writing.

enjoy the book as entertainment, because it doesn't have much credibility as anything more than that.
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just as an example:

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Irvine,

If you dismissed every book that made a profit then your reading list would be extremely short. Most authors strive to make a living through their work and I see nothing wrong with that. Profitability doesn't equate fallacy.

Being a historian has little to with the subject matter in "Culture Warrior". O'Rielly's position allows him to make credible commentary based on third party investigations. As far as being intellectual, O'Rielly often reminds his viewers of his Harvard education.

But, I totally agree with you that he is trying to market his book. Every single Factor program that I've viewed he mentions his book.
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I believe all profit made from the merchandise (excluding his books) are donated to charity.
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Irvine,

If you dismissed every book that made a profit then your reading list would be extremely short. Most authors strive to make a living through their work and I see nothing wrong with that. Profitability doesn't equate fallacy.

Being a historian has little to with the subject matter in "Culture Warrior". O'Rielly's position allows him to make credible commentary based on third party investigations. As far as being intellectual, O'Rielly often reminds his viewers of his Harvard education.

But, I totally agree with you that he is trying to market his book. Every single Factor program that I've viewed he mentions his book.

but he's not trying to make profit on the book alone, he's using the book to further his status as a brand where he can sell more t-shirts, mugs, hats, and hoodies.

i'm sure there's little in the way of history or in-depth analysis in Culture Warrior. which is why it is what it is: entertainment.

O'Reilly also got a master's degree at Harvard, he did not go there undergraduate or for a law degree. i think he's smart, a shrewd debater (though the show is perfectly suited to his debating style, and he always goes for the easy stuff, the easy moral outrage stories "pedophile priests! sexual predators!"), but let's not think that he's an intellectual on par with, say, Christopher Hitchens or whomever else is failing to leap to my mind.

i'd actually put O'Reilly a step above Limbaugh in terms of intelligence and thoughtfulness, and certainly above Hannity or Coulter, but it's all the same stuff.
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The problem here Irvine is you are labelling people as "intellectuals" if, and only if, they match your political/social beliefs.

To label "culture warrior" as entertainment is foolish. O'Rielly points out legitimate arguments and the reality of the situation is that America is in a culture war. There's nothing entertaining about it.
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The problem here Irvine is you are labelling people as "intellectuals" if, and only if, they match your political/social beliefs.

To label "culture warrior" as entertainment is foolish. O'Rielly points out legitimate arguments and the reality of the situation is that America is in a culture war. There's nothing entertaining about it.


no, that's not true at all.

i'd consider William F. Buckley an intellectual. i'd consider Charles Krauthammer an intellectual. same with William Safire or George Will.

O'Reilly doesn't belong in the same category as these people. no one who thinks that there's a "war on christmas" can be taken seriously in an intellecual context.

you know that feeling of outrage you get when you read "Culture Warrior"? that feeling of dread, yet a conviction that you, as a Christian, must do more to protect our children and our culture? that feeling of clarity when you see the lines that O'Reilly has drawn for you between traditional values people and secular progressives?

that's all intended. that's all part of the entertainment value of the book. that's his goal. it's one side versus the other, and the more you identify with him (through the process of identifying yourself against those he's highlighted as being against your set of values, values he's helping you define), the more likely you are to buy into the brand and watch his TV show, buy his books, and maybe get your dad a coffee mug for christmas.
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To be fair, I consider Bill O'Reilly to be a very intelligent man. He's well informed in matters of the law and foreign policy. I also consider him to be a brilliant media personality who knows his audience well.

If you watch his TV show, do yourself a favor and when he goes off on something, take notes, go to your computer and look up the actual facts of the issue. 7 times out of 10, you'll discover that O'Reilly either leaves out key facts, distorts or bends the truth, or flat out lies.

I haven't read his latest book, but I suspect it's no different.
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This thread's a joke, right? OReilly's a pretentious hypocrite blowhard...
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The problem here Irvine is you are labelling people as "intellectuals" if, and only if, they match your political/social beliefs.

To label "culture warrior" as entertainment is foolish. O'Reilly points out legitimate arguments and the reality of the situation is that America is in a culture war. There's nothing entertaining about it.
Seems the majority of FYM takes the Dave Letterman point of view: "Haven't watched your show much, or read any of your books, but my friends say you're completely full of crap!"

If a person actually gives O'Reilly a fair chance, they will see he is a conservative, and a loudmouth....but surely not a Coulter, or a Limbaugh, or a Hannity. Dare I say, he's close to your average pragmatic American!
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This thread's a joke, right? OReilly's a pretentious hypocrite blowhard...
Why?
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Seems the majority of FYM takes the Dave Letterman point of view: "Haven't watched your show much, or read any of your books, but my friends say you're completely full of crap!"

If a person actually gives O'Reilly a fair chance, they will see he is a conservative, and a loudmouth....but surely not a Coulter, or a Limbaugh, or a Hannity. Dare I say, he's close to your average pragmatic American!

erm, not me -- we've discussed him before, and my objections to him are less his POVs but his excessive merchandising and self-promotion. that, and his show rests on easy, easy "outrage" on issues like (gasp!) pedophile priests or that some movies (gasp!) shouldn't be watched by children. i've put him above Coulter and Hannity, yet neither of them have been accused of sexual harassment and had to settle out of court ...

O'Reilly positions himself as some sort of avenging angel of the working class, a dumbed-down moralizing version of Lou Dobbs -- where Lou worries about jobs, Bill is concerned with cowboys kissing in a tent.
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