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Old 02-15-2003, 07:32 PM   #61
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I would like to know what Bono thinks, but my mom thinks that he's not saying his opinion b/c he went to Africa with the former Secrtary of the Treasury. I think that Bono's silence has nothing to do with that. He's probably too busy working on his AIDS stuff. I can't believe that he's not at one of the antiwar protests today. Maybe he's for the war. Who knows
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Don't worry if you think my last post was confusing. I got confused writing it. lol
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This thread, makes me sad for Bono. Can you immagine the pressure of trying to be all things to all people. Let the man make his poetry. Let the man choose what battles he wants to fight. He does not owe it to his fans to come out and make statements on every single cause or crisis that comes down the path.

HE IS NOT GOD. Let him be the man that he is.
Dreadsox,

It's right that you think of your wife and children first. The military don't really need you and besides they no longer accept men with hairy backs .
I do agree, it must be terrible to be torn in so many directions, and to not lose ground you've gained. There's no doubt Sadaam is a butcher, but we've got to wait on the UN.
Off track, did you see the interview with Kenneth Pollack(?) on CNN today. It was very interesting, he also said the US must have the international community with them on Iraq.
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I found an interesting quote, itīs available in Susan Blackīs book Bono in His Own Words. Iīll type it here, I have nothing better to do this Saturday night anyways.

"People think the reasons Iīm attracted to Martin Luther King or Gandhi or Jesus Christ is that, in some way, I am a real man of God myself. In truth, the real reason that Iīm attracted to these men is that Iīm the guy with the broken bottle. I grew up that way an I despise violence, I despise the violence thatīs in me and thatīs why Iīm attracted to men who have turned back on it. " - March 1987

I think itīs fair to say, from his three statements presented here (the one from Larry King show, the other one from Hot Press interview and this one from the book I mentioned), that he has struggled with his own explosive nature thoughout his life. He believes strongly in peace, he desires to be a man of peace, and he has tried really hard to be one of them.

Thatīs the reason why I was hoping for him to say something in favour of a peaceful solution for this conflict. Thatīs what I tried to say with being coherent to his past. Maybe heīs getting more pragmatic with age, I donīt know. Maybe heīs just getting tired and old. Or maybe people like Aine and myself should just shut up anyways.
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This thread, makes me sad for Bono. Can you immagine the pressure of trying to be all things to all people. Let the man make his poetry. Let the man choose what battles he wants to fight. He does not owe it to his fans to come out and make statements on every single cause or crisis that comes down the path.

HE IS NOT GOD. Let him be the man that he is.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Well said.
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I can see many of you wishing Bono was a hippie with the peace sign t-shirt, walking around telling politicians that war never solves anything.

Just remember that war took down Nazi Germany. And remember that war ended slavery in this country. War may not always be the best or ideal solution to a problem, but sometimes it is the only choice.

We are not some fake-pacifist European country. When war is necessary, we answer the call. The fact is that Saddam is an insane dictator, who hates everything the US stands for and should not have nukes at his disposal. Period.

Since when is Bono the authority on war-time decision making? He has an opinion just like you and I, and whether he chooses to voice it to the public is entirely his decision.


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Just remember that war took down Nazi Germany.
Just remember that war brought us Nazi Germany!
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Well after some quick research into the articles I have recently sited, it appears I was both wrong and right. I was wrong to think that Bono was never at any point in his life a true blue Pacifist. I thought he was very much anti-violence and war in most situations, but not a full fledge pacifist.

It appears what happened is that Bono was a full fledged pacifist during the 80s, but this changed because of the crises in the former Yugoslavia which began in June 1991.
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The following qoutes taken from "Until The End Of The World" page 285 and HOT PRESS 2002 ANNUAL issue, page 81, show that while Bono used to be a Pacifist, he no longer is.

"Until The End Of The World" page 285

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From the book:

( Bono heads back outside to continue his recruiting drive. "I'm involved with a group", he says, "that sends food and supplies in there. And you know, this guy Bill Carter got to me tonight. He said, 'That's all right, but you're feeding a graveyard.' As a pacifist it is hard for me to justify sending arms to anybody, but God, if these people are being slaughtered you have to at least let them defend themselves."

Bill Carter explained to us earlier that the Bosnian situation has completely fallen apart since May, when Europe rejected U.S. efforts to organize NATO intervention. "It's just wholesale murder now," Carter said. "They know no one's coming to the rescue."

That image is driving Bono to distraction. "For once the U.S. had it right," Bono declares, " and Europe fucked it up! The U.S. wanted to go in and the English wouldn't agree with the French and the French couldn't agree-")

Clearly while Bono may have been a Pacifist, he is above supporting US military intervention that would of course involved bombing and colateral damage. He may state that he is a Pacifist above, but he in fact is not since he supports a military solution for the Bosnian conflict. 2 years later the U.S. would do just that in September 1995 bringing the war in Bosnia to an end and saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Again, there's a big difference between Bosnia and Iraq. Bosnia was about "ethnic cleansing." Iraq is about "Weapons of Mass Destruction." I agree with Bono that you've got to go in to Bosnia and stop the "wholesale murder." As I said earlier in this thread, I felt the same way about Rwanda.

I don't agree with Bush's desire to bomb Iraq for alleged violations with respect to WMD's. In my opinion, the Bush clan's (i.e., George Sr. and Jr.) modus operandi has always been to kick ass now and ask questions later. It's amazing to me that Bush is now saying that the U.N. either has to agree with him or it (the U.N.) is irrelevant.

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Now fast forward to December 2001.

HOT PRESS ANNUAL 2002, on the newstand in January 2002. Page 81.

Question from the interviewer:

But is that going to change their(USA) sense of the role they should play in the world? If you look at what's going on now in Afghanistan, you wouldn't interpret that as being the case.

BONO's response:

"Aside from the fact that the media has had very little access, and thats unnerving, I don't think historically the way this campaign has been waged against terror will be seen as anything other than a success in terms of the least loss of human life and a certain measuredness, which most of the world weren't expecting from the United States. And reading the New York Times report of the fall of Kabul and journalists walking around, there's hardly any civilian targets hit. That was kind of miraculous. Any civilian target hit is unacceptable. BUT I USED TO BE A PACIFIST. I'M NO LONGER A PACIFIST- and not because I don't want to be, but because I can't live up to it in my own life. Its a source of deep sadness to me that I can't. If somebody was threatening my wife and my kids I would not turn the other cheek and it's patently clear to anyone living in New York or London or Los Angeles or Chicago that in a matter of months, and certainly years, whole corners of their cities were about to be taken out...whether it's chemicals or dirty nuclear devices, whatever they're calling them. SO I DON'T SEE ANY ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE."
You're right. Bono says he is no longer a pacifist. If he supports bombing Iraq, then I disagree with him vehemently.

I'm still curious about what you wrote earlier in this thread:

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Yes Bono aspires to be a Pacifist. Everyone that is not evil
aspires to be a Pacifist as well.
STING2, in your opinion, how does one work toward becoming a pacifist?
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Does he really owe us his opinion?

I don't think so. I don't think he has to tell the press what he thinks on every damn issue. He probably has *some* opinion on Iraq that he doesn't want to tell the press about, because, you're right, $15 billion for AIDS in Africa. That's more important to him right now, and it *is* a fg emergency. It'd be pretty futile for him to get mixed up with this anyway. I say this as a staunch opponent of war in Iraq (I demonstrated today). Celebrities don't have to sell their souls to the damn media.
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That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Well said.

I didn't see that. You're completely right. Bono's not God, and we can't expect him to have a say in every single political issue.
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This thread, makes me sad for Bono. Can you immagine the pressure of trying to be all things to all people. Let the man make his poetry. Let the man choose what battles he wants to fight. He does not owe it to his fans to come out and make statements on every single cause or crisis that comes down the path.

HE IS NOT GOD. Let him be the man that he is.
Sorry, that's what I was trying to qoute.
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Since when is Bono the authority on war-time decision making? He has an opinion just like you and I, and whether he chooses to voice it to the public is entirely his decision.AJ

He isn't, and he knows it. Why should he have to tell the press this stuff? I mean, heck, he also needs to think about U2's American market. We all know from personal experience that many U2 fans are Bush supporters. I don't agree with this but I do believe in democracy and this is fine with me. Personally, I don't hate George Bush. I just think he's making a huge mistake. It'd be a bad business decision for Bono as well as a bad political decision if he came out against the war. The guy's not exactly stupid. Let's let him mind his own business.
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he also needs to think about U2's American market. We all know from personal experience that many U2 fans are Bush supporters..... It'd be a bad business decision for Bono as well
I seriously doubt that this would ever be a reason for Bono to keep quiet about anything.


Politics, and AIDS cash, sure, but not whether his records sell to a few conservative fans.
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Just remember that war brought us Nazi Germany!
i'm with Dreadsox and Bono's AmericanWife on this one. war was begun by the Germans, to annihilate the allies who beat them in the first World War, and gain control of the entire "free" world...

Sorry, i am no expert on European conflicts... but the killing fields of the SS and their scientific friends are little more now than shocking museums, here in the States and in Europe. sorry, never been to Germany, Russia, Italy or Denmark.

though, the Diary of Anne Frank has been read by me(note: passive voice) and, the movie, in black and white, WAS SEEN BY ME. yes, i saw an old movie of the Nazi occupation in Denmark!

scary sirens, those Germans had! remember, WAR caused the Holocaust?

but you say: bigotry brought the holocaust. really? bigotry and silence? is that right?

so Bono is silent, so what? he better be, because someone is sure to disagree with him and issue another fatwa, or stop buying his records, i'm sorry, CD's. fine... this is the end! end rant! end war! end holocausts! end fighting! end disagreement! begin to listen...you blind monkeys! deaf and dumb, you will be, if you don't offer your own point of view...hurrah...no one promised anyone a rose garden, to quote an old top forty song...
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Politics, and AIDS cash, sure, but not whether his records sell to a few conservative fans.
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