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Old 10-09-2005, 11:29 AM   #46
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It's the same feeling that clutches me.....................what happened to the bono who was a fly in the ears of politicians............
He wasn't trying to get anything out of the politicians then. He is now. Major difference.
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He wasn't trying to get anything out of the politicians then. He is now. Major difference.
Exactly. He isn't a "fly in the ear" anymore because, put simply, when you're trying to actually get something done with those politicians, THAT DOESN'T WORK. Sure pranking on the White House LOOKED cool back in the Zoo TV days - it was a real crowd-pleaser no doubt. But I think Bono's more concerned with actually changing some of the government's policies (such as its providing aid for Africa) now, and you simply can't get that done by heckling them.

I mean, why do you think Bono's been more successful and well-recieved than say, Michael Moore?

(Actually no one answer that last question because I'm sure that'd open up a whole other can of worms )
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No he hasn't but every thing he does is directly involved in preventing a new generation of terror.

You know what it means, Martha..

Aid with accountability and Education and Medicine!!

He doesn't use the term "war on terror" he doesn't have too.
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The difference is he can say that about Tony Blair, and Tony Blair can read it, and I doubt it will have any effect on Bono's ability to work with him. I suspect Blair and Bush are very different people. Look at how they've handled Iraq over the past 12 months.
I know, but I was quoting it because there are a few Conservatives in this board who simply cannot understand that Bono isn't one of them.

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I know a lot of people who simply cannot fathom it, even that photo of Bono and Bush, Bono giving the peace sign. It's kinda hard to explain, I know it leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths, even his own band it seems.
Edge has said as much several times.
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I know, but I was quoting it because there are a few Conservatives in this board who simply cannot understand that Bono isn't one of them.
There are a few liberals on this board that cannot seam to accept that Bono is willing to work with many different types of people.
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Unless Bono assumes the position of one of the tortured Iraqi prisoners, which he does during that portion of the concert.


You can hem and haw and nitpick all you want, but Bono has stated that he does not support the war in Iraq, and he has not stated that he supports the "war on terror" whatever the hell that is nowadays.
Check out the 2001 year end issue of HOT PRESS Magazine with BONO on the cover and you will find that he does in fact support the war on terror as well as the invasion of Afghanistan.

Bono has stated that he wants the mission the US/Coalition troops are performing in Iraq to fail? That he wants them immediately to withdraw from the country? Please, site when and where he has stated this.
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wait, didn't he end his bit on conan with something about how we don't just want to be known..this historical period...for the internet and for the war on terror, which are both noble things, or some such?
Or am I hallucinating again?
I've always assumed and thought i'd read quotes about how he's not happy about the war. Isn't he generally unhappy about any war really? Doesn't he prefer talking and alternate solutions? so I'm guessing he doesn't support terrorist tactics either, right? In Ireland or elsewhere?
I've always read his rhetoric on the percentage of africa that is muslim as a sort of cost-benefit anaylsis combined with a marketing scheme...part of his old (haven't heard it for almost a year I think) brand america deal. He for a while was saying we can increase the positive vibe the world associates with brand america if we spend a little more feeding and trading fairly with and giving our medicines without charging prince's sums for them etc ...he didn't use these words exactly. Nor did he say the other part much until conan--that it's cheaper isn't it then sending them down to defeat...what was the term he used? it was something warfare-ish...vanquishing?!.,,later. I thought that was a bit of a knock, but the beauty was it could be left to the imagination whether he thought it was good bad or indifferent to 'vanquish' as an enemy later. On the one hand it came off like a simple cost-benefit analysis. We should care (if nothing else, left omitted but implied) about africa now because it'll cost less in the long run. That's the argument he will sometimes (not always) pose in his speeches when I think he's trying to convince those who will ask 'so what's in it for me' ?
I actually liked his conan rap. Heard it before, but thought he presented it well to hopefully a new audience. yeah, i cringed when he said bush is doing a good job but i assumed he meant only on africa since he followed immediately with stats on that and as folks have said, he followed up with 'we don't have to agree on everything...' bit. even then, he quickly followed with an appeal to the people, that the pols will need to hear in a big way that this is of concern to we who elect them.
He really is in a lobbyist's role for the most part on this with the pols. He just can't be badmouthing them in very public forums (a little more leeway with NME or some such since Karl Rove probably doesn't catch that one very often) one minute and expecting them to take meetings with him the next.
the quote martha cites is pretty clearly critical of the war, no? but then he can get away with that in the UK waaay more easily...far greater anti-war sentiment there and far more commitment to the ONE campaign goals then in the US.

And one way to increase the level of people power I think is to have some successes and some visible sign that the powers that be are at least taking the fucking meetings with the movement organizers,who should be as sexy as possible, no? It's an important role and bono does it well, imho.
I liked his comparison to the NRA...that if they get the numbers they want they'll be bigger than the NRA! woohoo!
cheers!
BONO is not a pacifist. He supported the war in Bosnia and wanted earlier American military intervention as stated in Bill Flanigans Book "Until The End Of The World". In the 2001 year end issue of HOT PRESS with BONO on the cover, BONO states in general his support for the war on terror as well as the invasion of Afghanistan. He also states in the article that he is NOT a pacifist.
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Here's one for you, from The Sunday Times Magazine, dated November 7, 2004, page 35.

"So far, it's my job to give him [Tony Blair] applause for what he's done, even though I didn't agree with the war.... I believe that he's sincere...But sincerely wrong."
No one here claimed that BONO supported the initial invasion of Iraq.
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I know, but I was quoting it because there are a few Conservatives in this board who simply cannot understand that Bono isn't one of them.



Edge has said as much several times.
Thats incorrect. I don't know any conservatives on this board that made any claim that BONO had become a conservative. On the other hand, there are large number of "liberals" here who like to pretend that BONO supports everyone of their causes and has the same hatred and anger they have towards BUSH or any other conservative politician they don't like, and I've proven that is not the case. BONO has independent views that don't always match up with the typical "liberal" agenda.
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Bono has stated that he wants the mission the US/Coalition troops are performing in Iraq to fail? That he wants them immediately to withdraw from the country? Please, site when and where he has stated this.
Please. Quit your typical twisting and turning of words. Just because someone didn't support going into Iraq doesn't mean they want it now to fail. Give me a break.
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BONO is not a pacifist.
This is very old news.
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There are a few liberals on this board that cannot seam to accept that Bono is willing to work with many different types of people.
I'm one of them. I had a serious problem with him getting cozy with Jesse Helms, but as our dear Bono has said many times he'll deal with the Devil if he has to for this cause.
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In the 2001 year end issue of HOT PRESS with BONO on the cover, BONO states in general his support for the war on terror as well as the invasion of Afghanistan. He also states in the article that he is NOT a pacifist.
I don't seem to have that issue. Please transcribe the quotes for us so we can all stay on the same page.
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If I am not mistaken, Bono did call the war on terror a "noble cause"......Thursday night, Conan's show.

But, the original point of this thread was not that. It was that he dared to say something positive about Bush and other republicans. He dared say that Africa was more important than other political differences.

I love the loyalty shown to Bono when he steps outside the box, and does not conform to the expectations of the left.
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I'm one of them. I had a serious problem with him getting cozy with Jesse Helms, but as our dear Bono has said many times he'll deal with the Devil if he has to for this cause.
Without putting words into your mouth, then the political differences between groups of people are more important than the potential for doing something to save lives?
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