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Old 02-08-2006, 11:35 AM   #16
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At the prayer breakfast last week, Bono asked Americans to rise to a higher standard and increase foreign aid.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't a parallel between a war-mongering country ignoring millions of people dying for no rational reason and profiting from a fictional violent video game.

But those in the media who would like to continue to ignore Africa will jump at any opportunity to discredit Bono and his message in any way they can.
fair enough, i do kinda see the point someone else made with Bono's anti NRA calls and all that stuff and then a gun related game, i just don't see a valid reason for it being personal with Bono - its not solely his company and he hasn't created or endorsed the game in anyway, it was there before he was!

you know if it were a u2 game where edge's guitar turns into a chainsaw to mutilate people with then i would see the complaints, but i think its unfair to link something so distant from Bono with something so close to him.
but as you say, people are always gonna look for something to use to discredit him, i just think this really is a stretch.
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Old 02-08-2006, 12:05 PM   #17
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i just don't see a valid reason for it being personal with Bono
It's just the typical shoot the message by shooting the messenger game.

If people get all caught up in speculating Bono's lack of integrity and hypocrisy, they can rationalize and ignore their own.
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raising to higher standarts can also mean:

switch on brain and finally learn that fiction and facts are not the same.

raise the standart of thinking and distinguishing. I simply refuse to give a video game the same importance as a real war/ conflict

and mind you: so far all wars and bloody conflicts have been initiated by those crying against those "evil" games 8and movies and books and whatnot) teh loudest

makes me think
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who cares?
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:40 PM   #20
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At the end of the day, Africans care.
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about GTA?
I do not think so

I am actually pretty sure that they could not care less
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That's for damn sure.

My point was that all that matters out of any of this BS is that people take Bono's message about Africa seriously. Everything else is noise.
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i heard africans are much more into mario brothers
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check your sources
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I read this on U2log

Anti-games campaigner alleges Take Two lied to investors

Following the emergence of rumours that Elevation Partners may launch an acquisition bid for Take Two, anti-videogame campaigner Jack Thompson has written an open letter to one of Elevation's key investors - U2 frontman Bono.

"Dear Bono," the letter begins, "I write you as a fellow brother in Jesus Christ, appreciative of your bold witness to the transforming truth of the Gospel, in both your words and your deeds... I write to encourage you, respectfully and in a spirit of brotherly love, not to purchase Take Two Interactive Software, Inc."

Thompson warns Bono that if he acquires Take Two, he will also acquire "A Mature-rated murder simulator marketed and sold to teens that has been linked by law enforcement officials to numerous, specific, provable copycat killings around the country" - namely Grand Theft Auto.

He goes on to claim that Take Two "lied to the investment community" in its latest SEC filing, and warns that ongoing "criminal investigations" have put the publisher's very survival at risk, "Despite the fraudulent assertions in the recent [SEC filing] that they are all "without merit."

"That is akin to saying that AIDS poses no threat to life. Ridiculous."

Thompson then argues that the PS2's dualshock controller "desensitises the user to the act of killing" because it "sends a visceral jolt back into the hands of the player each time he kills."

Thompson doesn't think much of Bill Gates, either, who recently appeared on the cover of Time magazine alongside Bono. "I assume you think Gates a man of intellect," the letter reads.

"Here is what he said recently on 60 Minutes: "These action games transport you to a world you think is real." Exactly. That is why they are dangerous."

Next in the firing line is Bully, a forthcoming Rockstar title that is set in a school and which has already caused controversy despite the fact it has yet to be released. Thompson describes it as a "Columbine simulator" that will "spawn more school violence," alleging that Take Two has "lied to the public about what is actually in this game."

He also claims that he has obtained screenshots which show the game's true content, stating: "I can hear Take-Two saying to you, Bono, if I were to show you these clandestine screenshots, "Who are you going to believe, Bono; us or your lying eyes?"

Thompson warns Bono that buying Take Two "will serve as a refutation of your Christian twitness [sic]", stating that unless Elevation Partners plans to buy Take Two for the purpose of incinerating the Grand Theft Auto games and the other murder simulator titles that Take Two owns... Then you will be tying a millstone around your own neck."

The letter finishes: "I could fill another ten pages with descriptions of the criminal activity by Take-Two and [law firm] Blank Rome toward me, but I can tell you about all that if and when we meet.

"I am trying to keep you, dear brother, from being run over by a careening bus. I do this to help you. A brother in Christ has now warned you. Now, do the right thing, in His powerful name I pray," Thompson writes, before signing off: "In Jesus Christ, Jack Thompson."

The letter has been published in full by website Game Politics.
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Perhaps U2 is going to remake the game--Grand Unicef Otto.
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Well, the "video games cause violence" argument has huge holes in it, but so does the "it's just a video game" cop-out.

I mean, are our beloved U2 records "just music"? Has Bono ever believed it's "just entertainment" that he does?

So while wondering about this new acquisition, perhaps we can look at what elevation already does? The company they already injected with cash, "bioware pandemic," has a link as does "elevation partners."

http://bioware.pandemicstudios.com/

http://www.elevation.com/

unlike EDUN, there's not a word in the elevation blurb about doing anything with fair trade, ethical commerce, or conscious capitalism, or any other bono buzzwords. looks like pure business.

And the games? "Mercenaries" and "Full Spectrum Warrior" and the like.

Of course Bono bundles contradiction and hypocrisy with his critical beauty and beaming voice for justice.

Why couldn't he have gone in with Chris Martin and invested in fair trade chocolate?

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Heh. All video games are violent, to some degree or other..You usually have to kill something to get something. GTA is just more graphic about it.

And, seriously, if stuff like that makes people violent, I am a past master at Duck Hunt - I always got a head shot. Right through the eye. I should be out killing people now.
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Well, the "video games cause violence" argument has huge holes in it, but so does the "it's just a video game" cop-out.
I agree that video games by themselves do not have a direct cause-affect relationship with violent behavior. But we must look at the magnitude of the influence these games have on children.
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