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Old 11-11-2007, 06:43 PM   #1
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Bono's Comments on Terrorism

Some of what he said in the recent issue of Rolling Stone:


I want to be very, very clear, however: I understand and agree with the analysis of the problem. There is an imminent threat. It manifested itself on 9/11. It’s real and grave. It is as serious a threat as Stalinism and National Socialism were. Let’s not pretend it isn’t.

I think people as reasoned as Tony Blair looked at the world and didn’t want to be Neville Chamberlain, who came back from meeting with Hitler with a piece of paper saying “peace in our time,” while Hitler was planning to cross the channel from France.


On President Bush:

There was a plan there, you know. I think the president genuinely felt that if we could prove a model of democracy and broad prosperity in the Middle East, it might defuse the situation.

……Clinton did exactly the right thing in talking to the Provisional IRA and other extremist elements. Now they have to do the same, in my opinion, with Hamas, and they have to do the same with Al Qaeda. You have to involve them in dialogue.


……People are nauseous about being perceived as the enemy. After Abu Ghraib, reasonable, rational people were saying the most despicable things about America. Imagine that. The country that not only liberated Europe but rebuilt Europe with the Marshall Plan. The country of Omaha Beach. The heroism of people who gave their lives for people like my dad. I mean, this is the United States of America.



http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...tone_interview
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I pretty much agree with everything he said.
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My first reaction (before opening the thread): Who gives a rat's ass what some over-paid 50-year old rock star thinks about al-Qaeda?

My second reaction (after reading the post): Not me.
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is this some kind of twisted attempt to make Bono into some sort of neocon? some sort of Bush supporter? after all, he does say the following:


[q]I told Paul Wolfowitz, all of them, to go ask the British army what it's like to stand on street corners and get shot at. Remember that during the British army's first years on the streets of Northern Ireland, they were applauded by the Catholic minority. Go look at that, and ask yourself how that all got turned around.

It was always going to go wrong. I remember in the first moments after "shock and awe," I was watching it at home with [my wife] Ali and I said, "These people have just hidden their guns in the basement, took off their uniforms and come out waving American flags. And they've been told to. They knew this was coming, and they know what they're doing."

[...]

So, some optimistic thoughts: In the near future, distance will no longer decide who your neighbor is. It will be accepted that the slums of Kibera, Kenya, the rural poverty of Lalibela, Ethiopia, the refugee camps of Darfur, Sudan, are at the end of our lane. In the not-too-distant future, the anopheles mosquito will be all but chased off the planet, saving 3,000 children's lives that right now are lost to malaria every day in Africa.

In the not-too-distant future, the rich world will invest in the education of the poor world, because it is our best protection against young minds being twisted by extremist ideologies - or growing up without any ideology at all, which could be worse. Nature abhors a vacuum; terrorism loves one.



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and other than that, i really enjoyed the article. filled with bono-isms that are somewhere between here and genuine brilliance. he does get the modern era, he does understand how we live now, and it makes me look forward to the new record.
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I gotta love Bono.

He's just like me. He as an opinion on EVERYTHING and is eager to share that opinion with anyone who will listen.

I know that it can get annoying sometimes, of course.

But overall, I like it. It always makes me smile.
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[B]is this some kind of twisted attempt to make Bono into some sort of neocon? some sort of Bush supporter?
I don't think so, but it sure isn't the message of Mick Jagger, Neil Young, Eddie Vedder, Madonna, Pink, John Mellencamp, Natalie Maines, etc, etc, etc -- who look around the world and see George Bush as the "real and grave" threat.
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Did any of these people criticize Bush when he went into Afghanistan?
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It seems funny now that people ever thought of the Bush Admin as some sort of threat to anyone, anywhere. I think their collective intelligence was significantly over-estimated.
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It seems funny now that people ever thought of the Bush Admin as some sort of threat to anyone, anywhere. I think their collective intelligence was significantly over-estimated.
Stupid people -- especially stupid people in power -- can be very dangerous.
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So refreshing to hear a balanced, thoughtful opinion coming from a celebrity instead of the knee-jerk, insipid "Bush sucks", etc. rhetoric we're constantly subjected to.
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So refreshing to hear a balanced, thoughtful opinion coming from a celebrity instead of the knee-jerk, insipid "Bush sucks", etc. rhetoric we're constantly subjected to.


i agree that it's thoughtful and nuanced, but it does amount to the same thing -- while most of us (including myself) agree with the "threat," the Bush Administration, as Bono points out, has completely and totally and utterly wasted an incredibly historical moment and done incredible harm to the world with it's boneheaded, stupid policies.

i mean, come on, just read it:

[q]So we're in the era of asymmetrical war. The greatest army cannot protect you from hatred that gets busy and organized and has enough of an audience to protect it. There's a moment. Was that true of Caesar? Was that true of Napoleon? No. Might was always right. Strangely, we have now entered a phase where being powerful and having the biggest nuclear arsenal leaves you completely defenseless.

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It was always going to go wrong. I remember in the first moments after "shock and awe," I was watching it at home with [my wife] Ali and I said, "These people have just hidden their guns in the basement, took off their uniforms and come out waving American flags. And they've been told to. They knew this was coming, and they know what they're doing."


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this is sounding suspiciously like another poster who took Bono's support of intervention in Bosnia to be the same thing as supporting the invasion of Iraq, when, hilariously, all the members of U2 are quoted as thinking the invasion was stupid and foolhearty.

[q] I think the president genuinely felt that if we could prove a model of democracy and broad prosperity in the Middle East, it might defuse the situation. I don't believe that, and in the capacity I had, I told them that.[/q]
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Re: Bono's Comments on Terrorism

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Originally posted by the iron horse
[B]……People are nauseous about being perceived as the enemy. After Abu Ghraib, reasonable, rational people were saying the most despicable things about America. Imagine that. The country that not only liberated Europe but rebuilt Europe with the Marshall Plan. The country of Omaha Beach. The heroism of people who gave their lives for people like my dad. I mean, this is the United States of America.
[B]


just real quick here -- does anyone read this and think that Bono is saying that the people who are saying "despicable" things about America were wrong? because i don't. i think he's saying that the US has let the world down with Iraq, with Abu Ghraib, and that we are better than this, that we have high standards to live up to, and we haven't been doing that over the past 6 years.
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Yeah, it's a comment of surprise, I would say. A few years back, before Iraq was the designated new target, and before word about Guantanamo spread, no one would have imagined that only a few years later more than two million people in Europe and other parts of the world would go on the streets at one day to protest America, and even less that America would set up Guantanamo or Abu Ghreib and deem torture acceptable.
That changed dramatically.

It was a huge debate here in Germany if we really could stay out of Iraq because of our "historical debt" to America, and because it would harm our great relationship with the US. Angela Merkel, then the opposition leader, visited Bush shortly after the re-election of Schroeder to apologize for us staying out of that war, when the vast majority of people was opposed to a military intervention, which together with the flood in East Germany saved Schroeder re-election.
For weeks the most important topic seemed to be whether we ever again could be friends with America. That was utterly ridiculous.

It was quite a shock to see this other "face" of the US, to be honest.
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It was quite a shock to see this other "face" of the US, to be honest.


and that face is white, evangelical, SUV-driving, rendition-supporting, torture-accepting, vaguely racist, angry, scared, and desperately in need of someone and something to hate.

it's the face of the modern Republican party.
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not that i'm saying that bono isn't being completely sincere in what he says (i'm not referring to this article in particular)...i just think that over the years he has diluted his opinions somewhat. and i think much of that has to do with his outreach, and his commitment to getting everyone on board to fighting extreme poverty. people can take all these bits of quotes from interviews for publications and interpret what they will, but even in the biography (such as in conversation) he has admitted that although it is not the easiest thing to do, he will be more careful with what he says in regards to politics because he doesn't want to lose support for his cause.

thats what i find so admirable. he's that committed that he will even sit on his hands about some of the most controversial issues. he's made a promise and he's sticking to it. i don't know if i have that level of commitment for anything. that speaks a lot about his character.
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