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Old 06-08-2007, 08:12 PM   #61
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You know one of my friend got blocked out everytime we went to the casino restaurant, she's 27 though, and currently waiting for her first baby.

I'm almost certain that the security guys would still request ID of this "teen-age-mom" in the next few years.


Just say NO.
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Old 06-08-2007, 08:21 PM   #62
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Maybe English isn't your first language and we're having a sort of language barrier, but I'm having a hard time understanding your point.

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The key word is natural-outcome. Edun in a position that they will have to employ local people,
HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?


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any company will do that,
False!

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and it could not be use as a criteria to evaluate the change to the business ethics.
What?
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Maybe English isn't your first language and we're having a sort of language barrier, but I'm having a hard time understanding your point.

HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?

Foreigners.

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False!
Explain.

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What?
Someone certainly have no clear idea how wide business ethics could cover when stretched.
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Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.
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Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.
Um, I've been out in the business world for years and have taken several classes. Your ability to communicate your point is weak and that's why, and I'm not the only one, confused as to what you are saying.
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Foreigners.
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Explain.
You said any company would hire local people. That's just false, companies hire people outside the country and outsource all the time, so I really don't get what you are trying to say.


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Someone certainly have no clear idea how wide business ethics could cover when stretched.
Um, no just your sentence structure doesn't make sense. That whole sentence didn't make sense.

So I'll ask again:

HAVE TO employ local people? Why would they have to? Local to where?
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Before you post, I strongly suggest you to read several business cases in commecial/academic/business report format with analysis. Hopefully you would be able to have a better understanding of the simple logics we been debating for 2 days.
I have done that and I can't understand what you are going on about either.
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Um, I've been out in the business world for years and have taken several classes. Your ability to communicate your point is weak and that's why, and I'm not the only one, confused as to what you are saying.
So you still haven't saw any case of a FDI company operating with all foreign employees directly from the mother country?

Or you just don't understand what business ethics could cover?

If you did familiar with the FDI cases, then you'll see the simple fact is there's no existing success story for investment type like Edun, and wouldn't argue with me based on "sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.
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"sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.
Superficial? Sweatshops are just superficial stuff? That has to be one of the most ridiculous thing you've said.

But it starts to make the rest of your posts make sense.
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I have done that and I can't understand what you are going on about either.
There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

When the big trend for other companies are the globalization and the potential benefit of cutting cost, enlarge market by invest in a developing countries, I highly doubt Edun model, which put business ethics the same high level as revenue, would be any attractive to profit-driven business.

That is the main point I've been argue. Unfortunately, it's been interpreted as a statement of Edun is a failure. And I was under attack ever since then.
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There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.
All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them








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So you still haven't saw any case of a FDI company operating with all foreign employees directly from the mother country?

Or you just don't understand what business ethics could cover?

If you did familiar with the FDI cases, then you'll see the simple fact is there's no existing success story for investment type like Edun, and wouldn't argue with me based on "sweatshops, designing", superfacial stuff like that.
Are you saying that FDI doesn't do anything at all? Or that just because there is no history of FDI success in Africa, therefore, it can't possibly be accomplished? If so, did it occur to you that no one has really attempted to invest in Africa?
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Superficial? Sweatshops are just superficial stuff? That has to be one of the most ridiculous thing you've said.

But it starts to make the rest of your posts make sense.
You've been debating using sweatshop free as a uniqueness of Edun, which is totally wrong. And that, misleading you from understanding the nature of a business model.

Not all clothing are manufactured in sweatshops, and the company still could make good business value. This does not need to be revalidated for a business model.

What really important, as for a business model, is that it must provide a new way of doing things, which is different from the existing case.

Do you really understand the topic we are discussing?
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There's no successful existing business case like Edun, based on my research.

When the big trend for other companies are the globalization and the potential benefit of cutting cost, enlarge market by invest in a developing countries, I highly doubt Edun model, which put business ethics the same high level as revenue, would be any attractive to profit-driven business.

That is the main point I've been argue. Unfortunately, it's been interpreted as a statement of Edun is a failure. And I was under attack ever since then.
Okay, I think I get what you are saying now. Because EDUN is not a profit driven sweatshop, while worthy in your opinion, will do no good at all, simply because you haven't read a case on it.
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All these pages and you all are missing a MAJOR point here. I think that the real reason why Edun isn't doing too hot is that the clothes aren't designed for women with boobs. Thus I'm limited to their tshirts. I can't buy them if I can't fit them








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