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Old 09-23-2002, 08:01 PM   #1
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Bono a pacifist?

We all think we know the man better than we really do....

Is Bono a pacifist? Was he ever?

Are you a pacifist? Some degree of a pacifist?

Would you defend yourself? If so under what circumstances?

Or would you turn the other cheek? If so, why?

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Old 09-23-2002, 08:20 PM   #2
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BONO already stated in the Irish magazine HOT PRESS, 9 months ago, that he is not a pacifist.
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I don't believe Bono is one any longer.

I am, though not an absolute pacifist. I lived through a war once, I sat in dark cellars and basements while bombs shattered overhead, while my friend's mother got blown up in the bread line, and it's not something I'm itching to repeat. Nobody wins in a war - it's a cliche we all repeat yet hardly anybody has any solid idea as to what it really means. When you live through something like that you lose a very important part of yourself; some bit of you dies inside and you can never get it back. The rest of your life is an inner struggle to regain your own humanity, to rise above the beasts who sought to kill you and to get up every morning and be able to see that it still might be a beautiful day.

No, I don't believe in war.
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Old 09-23-2002, 09:32 PM   #4
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I believe in defending oneself and others. To not do so in my opinion is immoral. Sometimes the only way to successfully defend oneself and others, is through force.
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About seven weeks after my foot surgery, I was allowed to hobble around my house as much as I wanted. It wasn't easy, but I could do it. Walking barefoot was especially difficult.

One evening, as I was nearly in bed, I thought I heard voices out in the front yard. My husband was working in the garage with the door open. My husband is about 6'3'' and quite capable of handling himself, yet when I heard those voices, I thought someone was in the front yard, giving my husband a hard time. I stumped down the hall and toward the front door, ready to kick some ass if neccessary. I thought someone was going to hurt my husband, and I was going to do something about it. In my nightgown, with fresh scars on both feet, unable to walk upright. Of course, no one was there.


So, no, I'm not a pacifist as far as an immediate threat to my loved ones. But I don't think war is the answer to the problems we have around the world today.
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I am pretty certain that he says something on the Enhanced CD (disc 3) of the "Concert for a Free Tibet" set that he is not a pacifist but admires pacifism.

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Re: Bono a pacifist?

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We all think we know the man better than we really do....

Is Bono a pacifist? Was he ever?

Are you a pacifist? Some degree of a pacifist?

Would you defend yourself? If so under what circumstances?

Or would you turn the other cheek? If so, why?

Thanks,
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Before to answer you, I would like to know who you regard as a pacifist. What feeling do you have when you hear this word? What do you think of pacifists?

I think it doesnīt matter how you call someone who is against war. Bono imho is against war, no matter what he mumbles to hotpress about pacifism. Heīd prefer to talk about cynicism.

And by the way I know rockstars donīt like to be labelled. It destroys the flexible image they have built up.
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Re: Re: Bono a pacifist?

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Before to answer you, I would like to know who you regard as a pacifist. What feeling do you have when you hear this word? What do you think of pacifists?

I think it doesnīt matter how you call someone who is against war. Bono imho is against war, no matter what he mumbles to hotpress about pacifism. Heīd prefer to talk about cynicism.

Good point. Maybe Bono says he's not a pacifist because he might slug somebody during a drunken barroom brawl.

I agree with martha. Somebody comes after me or mine, I will defend myself. But war is another story.
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Before to answer you, I would like to know who you regard as a pacifist. What feeling do you have when you hear this word? What do you think of pacifists?

I think it doesnīt matter how you call someone who is against war. Bono imho is against war, no matter what he mumbles to hotpress about pacifism. Heīd prefer to talk about cynicism.

And by the way I know rockstars donīt like to be labelled. It destroys the flexible image they have built up.
Agreed.

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Somebody comes after me or mine, I will defend myself. But war is another story
What if 'yours' what one of the 3000 killed in the WTC?

How would you defend yourself in that respect? How would you keep it (or something similar) from happening again?

In response to what I think a pacifist is:

Someone who will not resort to violence for any reason.

In my opinion:

Bono: No
Jesus: No
Gandhi: Yes.
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What if 'yours' what one of the 3000 killed in the WTC?

How would you defend yourself in that respect? How would you keep it (or something similar) from happening again?

In response to what I think a pacifist is:

Someone who will not resort to violence for any reason.

In my opinion:

Bono: No
Jesus: No
Gandhi: Yes.

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For instance... what if one the of the school children trapped in Ivory Coast was yours? Would you want them to send troops in...

read: http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...A47B24E48982FE

Troops? If you were really against war, you wouldn't even have an army? Aren't you just going to cause more innocent bloodshed by sending warmongers to the area?

Or is the a noble cause for war?

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We should also remember that the United States is not technically a "Christian nation." We have seperation of church & state and thus are not necessarily bound, governmentally, by any religous rules of pacifism.

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HIPHOP,

BONO did say he supported George Bush's war on terrorism in the IRISH HOT PRESS article 9 months ago. He said Bush's handling of the war was right on.

Also Bono and the rest of U2 pressed for US military action in Bosnia. This was in the book 'Until the End Of the World'.
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HIPHOP,

BONO did say he supported George Bush's war on terrorism in the IRISH HOT PRESS article 9 months ago. He said Bush's handling of the war was right on.

Also Bono and the rest of U2 pressed for US military action in Bosnia. This was in the book 'Until the End Of the World'.
Yeah I can imagine that, especially 9 months ago. With the rage of the entertainment industry who is blocking and dissing everyone who uses a slightly critical tone towards American policies, with the pressure that you are automatically labelled as anti american, with the tour Bono lead in Africa to get support by OīNeill, I think he wouldnīt do himself a favor by saying anything else.

If I was in his position, I would probably do the same. Still, I am the opinion that Bono is against war.

The Bosnia situation was a very different one. Please, lets stop throwing apples and oranges around, I mean, comparisons with the second world war, comparisons Saddam Hitler, comparisons Iraq Bosnia --- people where are you living?

You donīt think U2 still want to sell a few millions of records on the big U.S. market.

MadelynIris:

Maybe Bono isnīt a pacifist. Who cares? Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. But please explain me why Jesus wasnīt a pacifist and Gandhi yes.

After all, it was Jesus who turned the other cheek, didnīt he?

After all Jesus said LOVE YOUR ENEMIES - or didnīt he?
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