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Old 08-03-2007, 11:43 PM   #16
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And one of the "I don't believe in evolution" crowd too.
Isn't it somewhere in Christian doctrine to bomb the hell out of the holy places of other religions? Wasn't that part of loving other as yourselves?
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why is everyone so upset?


he didn't do anything

what ever happened to free speech?




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This is not a free speech issue in the least. Nobody's said he shouldn't be allowed to say it. I think we're all quite shocked at the fact that someone seriuosly running for President of the United States is honestly and unapologetically advocating the leveling (he's not just saying we ought to bomb their power plants to deter them, but to flatten the entire city) of the holiest cities of a religion that is already pissed off at us (us = the West). How do you go about flattening an entire city in the most efficient way in this day and age? Drop a nuke. Plop one on Mecca and I guarantee Washington, DC would be next.

And this is a great message to send the Saudis, considering that probably 80% of the places Tancrazy's thinking of wiping off the face of the map are in Saudi Arabia. A nation that's been an ally of the United States for decades.

Obviously a foreign policy whiz.

On an interesting note, I think we might have found someone even more reckless and stupid than Bush & Co. in the federal government.
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what ever happened to free speech?
He's got it, we've got it.
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Seriously, America. This is the kind of absolutely insane person you have running for President?!?

Any citizen 35 years of age can run for President, many millions.
And only about 5 of all of them have a realistic shot of winning.

So just be cool on the U.S, most of us can sniff this stuff out, easily.


Really though, he can't even get a break in the Republican side taking a HARDLINE stance against illegals. He is the Kucinich of the right.
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[B]why is everyone so upset?

what ever happened to free speech?
I detect sarcasm, one question, what is the point being made by the sarcasm?

If no sarcasm, are you aware of the delicious irony?
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Tancredo's statement is insane and does not reflect the GOP. No other candidate believes we should bomb Mecca, so dont clump all the candidates with this position.
No, it doesn't reflect the GOP, but many(more than anyone would acknowledge) secretly hold this type of feeling.

I've heard many say we should just turn the Middle East into glass... and guess who all of them voted for
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No, it doesn't reflect the GOP, but many(more than anyone would acknowledge) secretly hold this type of feeling.

I've heard many say we should just turn the Middle East into glass... and guess who all of them voted for
How many people secretly hold the position that we should have taken no military action after 9/11? Or even before for that matter? And who are they voting for?

The GOP doesn't endorse this drivel anymore than the Dems endorse a pacifist lunatic fringe. We should all be fair here.

Oh, and ......Neil Diamond is the balls.
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How many people secretly hold the position that we should have taken no military action after 9/11? Or even before for that matter? And who are they voting for?

The GOP doesn't endorse this drivel anymore than the Dems endorse a pacifist lunatic fringe. We should all be fair here.

Well you missed my point...

and

How is that the same?
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Well you missed my point...

and

How is that the same?
What point did I miss exactly?

This would have been a perfect opportunity to say "you missed my point, my point was this....."

You're saying it doesn't reflect the GOP but (paraphrased) "there are people who support it and they all vote GOP"

You're taking the apologetic view that this lunacy represents the GOP, otherwise what sense does it make to draw any distinction whatsoever?

I'm saying you could easily paint it the opposite way. That's all.

We are talking about how individuals who are linked to parties Tancredo/GOP on some fringe issues don't represent the masses of said party, I tried to illustrate one view of how the Dems could be painted against themselves so to speak, as in Pacifist/Dems.
I'm saying it doesn't add up.

What point am I missing? (asking in all honesty)
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What point did I miss exactly?

This would have been a perfect opportunity to say "you missed my point, my point was this....."

You're saying it doesn't reflect the GOP but (paraphrased) "there are people who support it and they all vote GOP"

You're taking the apologetic view that this lunacy represents the GOP, otherwise what sense does it make to draw any distinction whatsoever?

I'm saying you could easily paint it the opposite way. That's all.

We are talking about how individuals who are linked to parties Tancredo/GOP on some fringe issues don't represent the masses of said party, I tried to illustrate one view of how the Dems could be painted against themselves so to speak, as in Pacifist/Dems.
I'm saying it doesn't add up.

What point am I missing? (asking in all honesty)
The point you are missing is that the secret feeling of many GOP would be destroying lives...

Your theory of pacificts is one that no one can predict how many lives would be lost if we never did anything...
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The point you are missing is that the secret feeling of many GOP would be destroying lives...

Your theory of pacificts is one that no one can predict how many lives would be lost if we never did anything...
So we protect all lives at all costs.
Sounds like a great idea.

We can't quantify what would be a greater number.
An ouright aggressor Tancredo bomb over Tehran or an outright pacifist stance that led to an Al Qaeda bomb in a major U.S city.

These aren't pressing issues though.

I don't think either party entertains anything near those extremes, which was my point.
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What we can and should say is that either of these stances is far from any type of mainstream opinion and not a serious issue.
Of course it is...

But one is a violent genocide of an idea... and the other isn't.

Yet both are voting. Let's just hope that the fuckers are less...
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Of course it is...

But one is a violent genocide of an idea... and the other isn't.

Yet both are voting. Let's just hope that the fuckers are less...
Fair enough.

It's just I detest a pacifist stance as much as the Bush bullshit.

I don't think our answers are there, thaks for the discussion tonight.
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