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Old 12-04-2006, 06:40 PM   #76
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No. It's a shadow government full of farse (or how ever you spell it.) They dont really care like most countries until millions are dead or dying and someone brings it to there attention. Look at Rwanda 800,000 dead for what????? The UN was in Rwanda but turned there backs except Lt-Gen. Roméo Dallaire of the Netherlands.
First of all, Dallaire is Canadian. Canadiens, I can't believe you havent' corrected him yet. Second of all, at least the UN was in Rwanda at all. They represent the world's only peacekeeping force and the Security Council countries blocked extra funding and nobody wanted to send more troops after the Interhamwe cleverly beheaded several blue helmets. You hear about the peacekeepers' failures but you dont hear about 80+ other successful missions. Besides, if the UN didn't exist at all, wouldn't the 800,000 be dead, or more? You can't exactly lay blame on the UN, even if the world could have done more to stop it, the UN mitigated the genocide a little.

And grahically violent conflicts aren't the only thing that kills people. Again, the UN outlets for disease control and treatment, for food distribution, for development to create sustainable communities, those all chug along successfully. Sure they could be more successful with more funding and support, but at least there's something. And it's not just "throwing money" at it, there are statistics on the UN site about how much it has improved.

I was going to say, you can't ignore that, but apparently you continue to do so.

By the way, the Us is one of the countries that is delinquent on its dues, that doesn't sign treaties, etc. The UN, sure, isn't as effective as it could be. But part of the blame lies with the US for ignoring the UN until it's convenient for us.
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The UN doesn't have an army
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Those programs you mention are "sponsored by the UN" and all they do is throw money at it.
Once again no, please do some research.


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All I want is for the UN to relocate some where else and for the US to remove it self from this brotherhood of disaster.
That would be completely counter productive.

So basically you don't want any international organization what so ever? How would that help?
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2. Well it sure acts like it. It has it's own army, ambassadors etc... So how can it not be a government. When it is.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!
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well look at how good the league of nations was after WW1. They sure did nothing to stop Hitler.
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The UN doesn't have an army
Then tell me what is a peacekeeping force doing with rifles and machine guns, tanks, planes etc...???
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well look at how good the league of nations was after WW1. They sure did nothing to stop Hitler.
You're not getting it...

No one claimed they have magical powers and can stop everything.
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By the way, the Us is one of the countries that is delinquent on its dues, that doesn't sign treaties, etc. The UN, sure, isn't as effective as it could be. But part of the blame lies with the US for ignoring the UN until it's convenient for us.
I just think were getting tired of the same old bullshit. Pay millions get nothing in return.
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You're not getting it...

No one claimed they have magical powers and can stop everything.
Yes but I thought they said they would never let another WW happen again, yet it did.
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Pay millions get nothing in return.
Well when you put someone like Bolton in there you aren't going to accomplish shit.
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I agree that the UN has its problems, but I think it's too important for the U.S. to just say "to hell with it" and pull out. They can make some changes, like abolishing the veto power of the permanent members of the Security Council, and I think the situation could be saved. It can hopefully work out the differences between Israel and the Palestinians, important work. Someone needs to make the Israelis stop settling in Palestinian territories. I can't think of anyone besides the UN who's capable of doing this.
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Apparently if they aren't magic they are useless.

I'm out of here, this discussion is useless.
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Well when you put someone like Bolton in there you aren't going to accomplish shit.
Well I dont see any one of those fuckers in there doing shit, so dont blame just one person for all the fuck ups in this world.

Unless thats easy way out.
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Yes but I thought they said they would never let another WW happen again, yet it did.
could you elaborate
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I agree that the UN has its problems, but I think it's too important for the U.S. to just say "to hell with it" and pull out. They can make some changes, like abolishing the veto power of the permanent members of the Security Council, and I think the situation could be saved. It can hopefully work out the differences between Israel and the Palestinians, important work. Someone needs to make the Israelis stop settling in Palestinian territories. I can't think of anyone besides the UN who's capable of doing this.
Please the UN would side with terrosits groups who bully other but when a bigger force such as israel comes to fight off it's attacker they are then accused of the being the problem.
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