Bloomberg leaves the Republican Party
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financeguy
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Bloomberg vs Paul would be an interesting battle.
Bluer White
New Yorker
That would be the last nail in McCain's coffin.
Although, McCain is probably cooked right now anyway.
Although, McCain is probably cooked right now anyway.
deep
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just trying to figure how a 3rd party run
by bloomberg could affect the 2008 election
where one candidate gets all the electoral votes from one state by getting the most votes?
In a Hillary/ Giuliani race
who would he take away more votes from in NY, NJ, MASS, or Florida?
by bloomberg could affect the 2008 election
where one candidate gets all the electoral votes from one state by getting the most votes?
In a Hillary/ Giuliani race
who would he take away more votes from in NY, NJ, MASS, or Florida?
U2democrat
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It'd be fun to see a three way race where the third candidate is actually viable.
Wow look at what I just said. You can tell I'm not satisfied with the democratic field at all.
Wow look at what I just said. You can tell I'm not satisfied with the democratic field at all.
deep
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financeguy said:
Ron Paul?
If he gets in
it would be a 3 person race.
deep
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Bloomberg would not win one state.
He has the potential to change the outcome in a few states.
Think Ralph Nader in 2000.
With more potential, than 2 or 3 states.
He has the potential to change the outcome in a few states.
Think Ralph Nader in 2000.
With more potential, than 2 or 3 states.
deep
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If Bloomberg gets in.
He clears the field for the more conservative GOP candidates in the GOP primaries.
Fred Thomas
Mitt Romney are both up.
and
Giuliani and McCain are down.
He clears the field for the more conservative GOP candidates in the GOP primaries.
Fred Thomas
Mitt Romney are both up.
and
Giuliani and McCain are down.
deep
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anitram said:
Not exactly
Bloomberg would need to be more extreem (right) than the nominated candidate.
deep
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Independents and moderates are likely Bloomberg voters.
And both Hillary and Obama were counting
on making some good in roads with those groups.
And both Hillary and Obama were counting
on making some good in roads with those groups.
deep
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The more I think about this
this is the best news the GOP has had in some time.
Rove could not have planned it better.
this is the best news the GOP has had in some time.
Rove could not have planned it better.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
It could be that the globalists/neo-cons have put in Bloomberg as a 'front' candidate to take votes away from the true independent candidate, Ron Paul.
BVS
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financeguy said:
What is truly independent about Ron Paul?
deep
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Ron Paul, as much attention as he gets in the debates, will not come in any higher than maybe 5th in any of the GOP primaries.
And I doubt if any of the 3rd parties will nominate him.
And I doubt if any of the 3rd parties will nominate him.
BVS
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deep said:
They'd be foolish to do so...
deep
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He is very Libertarian
but, currently serving as a maverick GOP congressman.
but, currently serving as a maverick GOP congressman.
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
deep said:
Yeah my cousin actually ran against him for that seat. The man's been using(abusing) the Republican Party for years, that's why I have a hard time calling him a truly independent canidate...
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
deep said:
Ron Paul will get his ideas in the media.
Accordingly, he will have performed a very important duty.
It's good to see ideas outside of the mainstream being represented in public life.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
BonoVoxSupastar said:
The sceptics wrote off too Perot too, but he played a very important part in that election.
bloomberg isn't nader... he's a less crazy perot.
i'm psyched...
and remember... he's already got more money than all the other candidates without raising a single dollar.
i'm psyched...
and remember... he's already got more money than all the other candidates without raising a single dollar.
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maycocksean
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
I really don't know much about Bloomberg or his stance on the "issues." Anybody know what he thinks about Iraq?
My hunch is that an independent candidate will ultimately hurt the Democratic field more than the Republicans.
My hunch is that an independent candidate will ultimately hurt the Democratic field more than the Republicans.
"The politics of partisanship and the resulting inaction and excuses have paralyzed decision-making, primarily at the federal level, and the big issues of the day are not being addressed, leaving our future in jeopardy,"
"I think the country is in trouble," Bloomberg said, citing the war in Iraq and America's declining standing globally.
"Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years," he said. "We've had a go-it-alone mentality in a world where, because of communications and transportation, you should be going exactly in the other direction."
Strategists say he could mount a third-party campaign by stressing that he is a two-term mayor in a Democratic city and that he built his reputation as a political independent, social moderate and fiscal conservative.
Throughout his 5 1/2 years as mayor, Bloomberg has often been at odds with his party and Bush. He supports gay marriage, abortion rights, gun control and stem cell research, and raised property taxes to help solve a fiscal crisis after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"I think the country is in trouble," Bloomberg said, citing the war in Iraq and America's declining standing globally.
"Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years," he said. "We've had a go-it-alone mentality in a world where, because of communications and transportation, you should be going exactly in the other direction."
Strategists say he could mount a third-party campaign by stressing that he is a two-term mayor in a Democratic city and that he built his reputation as a political independent, social moderate and fiscal conservative.
Throughout his 5 1/2 years as mayor, Bloomberg has often been at odds with his party and Bush. He supports gay marriage, abortion rights, gun control and stem cell research, and raised property taxes to help solve a fiscal crisis after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
not sure how this is going to play out in a general election, but it is further evidence that George Bush destroys everything he touches. he's destroyed the party of Goldwater, and even the *shudder* party of Reagan.
as for Bloomberg:
[q]U.S. Is ‘Really in Trouble,’ Says Bloomberg, Sounding Like a Candidate
By DIANE CARDWELL
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., June 18 — Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, sounding every inch the presidential candidate he insists he is not, brought his message of pragmatic, nonpartisan leadership to California on Monday, telling a crowd of Google employees that the nation was “really in trouble.”
In unusually stark terms, Mr. Bloomberg expressed his frustration with the state of the nation, touching on campaign-style issues like the war in Iraq, immigration, education, health care and crime before a crowd of more than 1,000 employees at the Google campus here.
“Whoever out of those 20 becomes president I think has to do something about a country that I think is really in trouble,” Mr. Bloomberg said, referring to the current crop of candidates. “There’s the war, there is our relationships around the world.”
“Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years,” he continued, criticizing what he called a “go-it-alone mentality” in an increasingly interconnected world.
The trip west comes as speculation about Mr. Bloomberg’s presidential ambitions has intensified, with his increasing travels around the country to speak about national issues, and with aides promoting the idea behind the scenes.
Mr. Bloomberg made his comments as a guest speaker at Google, technically as part of their series of authors, ostensibly because of his autobiography, “Bloomberg by Bloomberg,” which was published in 1997. But the notion of his making a third-party run at the White House was never far from the surface.
Indeed, in introducing Mr. Bloomberg, Alan Davidson, Google’s senior policy counsel, said, to laughter, that the hourlong discussion was not part of the candidates’ series, which has already brought former Senator John Edwards, Gov. Bill Richardson and Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain to the campus.
Asked about the subject, Mr. Bloomberg said that he was not a candidate for president and intended to finish out his term, which lasts through 2009, and then become a full-time philanthropist. Nonetheless, he declined to say definitively that he would not run, calling a question from a reporter asking him if he would rule out a candidacy too “Shermanesque” to answer.
In his remarks, he sounded much like a candidate for national office. He returned to a pet theme, criticizing the federal government for its immigration policies and what he sees as insufficient attention to rising costs of Social Security and health care.
Mr. Bloomberg also took a swipe at the presidential candidates of both parties, saying they were not offering serious ideas about improving public education or lowering street crime.
Arguing that people have a much greater chance of being killed by street crime than by a terror attack, he said: “Yet every press conference, they all beat their chests and say, ‘I can protect this country better from terrorism.’ Well, what about protecting them out in the streets every day?”
Mr. Bloomberg began his day in San Francisco. urging members of the Commonwealth Club, a public affairs group, to exert pressure on Congress to drop an amendment from its spending bill this year that limits the way the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives releases information about the source of illegal guns.
He ended the day in Los Angeles, where he assailed what he called the “swamp of dysfunction” in Washington. His remarks came in a speech opening a two-day conference for which Mr. Bloomberg is a co-host with the mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa.
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as for Bloomberg:
[q]U.S. Is ‘Really in Trouble,’ Says Bloomberg, Sounding Like a Candidate
By DIANE CARDWELL
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., June 18 — Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, sounding every inch the presidential candidate he insists he is not, brought his message of pragmatic, nonpartisan leadership to California on Monday, telling a crowd of Google employees that the nation was “really in trouble.”
In unusually stark terms, Mr. Bloomberg expressed his frustration with the state of the nation, touching on campaign-style issues like the war in Iraq, immigration, education, health care and crime before a crowd of more than 1,000 employees at the Google campus here.
“Whoever out of those 20 becomes president I think has to do something about a country that I think is really in trouble,” Mr. Bloomberg said, referring to the current crop of candidates. “There’s the war, there is our relationships around the world.”
“Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years,” he continued, criticizing what he called a “go-it-alone mentality” in an increasingly interconnected world.
The trip west comes as speculation about Mr. Bloomberg’s presidential ambitions has intensified, with his increasing travels around the country to speak about national issues, and with aides promoting the idea behind the scenes.
Mr. Bloomberg made his comments as a guest speaker at Google, technically as part of their series of authors, ostensibly because of his autobiography, “Bloomberg by Bloomberg,” which was published in 1997. But the notion of his making a third-party run at the White House was never far from the surface.
Indeed, in introducing Mr. Bloomberg, Alan Davidson, Google’s senior policy counsel, said, to laughter, that the hourlong discussion was not part of the candidates’ series, which has already brought former Senator John Edwards, Gov. Bill Richardson and Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain to the campus.
Asked about the subject, Mr. Bloomberg said that he was not a candidate for president and intended to finish out his term, which lasts through 2009, and then become a full-time philanthropist. Nonetheless, he declined to say definitively that he would not run, calling a question from a reporter asking him if he would rule out a candidacy too “Shermanesque” to answer.
In his remarks, he sounded much like a candidate for national office. He returned to a pet theme, criticizing the federal government for its immigration policies and what he sees as insufficient attention to rising costs of Social Security and health care.
Mr. Bloomberg also took a swipe at the presidential candidates of both parties, saying they were not offering serious ideas about improving public education or lowering street crime.
Arguing that people have a much greater chance of being killed by street crime than by a terror attack, he said: “Yet every press conference, they all beat their chests and say, ‘I can protect this country better from terrorism.’ Well, what about protecting them out in the streets every day?”
Mr. Bloomberg began his day in San Francisco. urging members of the Commonwealth Club, a public affairs group, to exert pressure on Congress to drop an amendment from its spending bill this year that limits the way the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives releases information about the source of illegal guns.
He ended the day in Los Angeles, where he assailed what he called the “swamp of dysfunction” in Washington. His remarks came in a speech opening a two-day conference for which Mr. Bloomberg is a co-host with the mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa.
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deep
Blue Crack Addict
Tell me how this guy would take any votes away from the GOP candidate?
deep said:
bloomberg has a chance to inspire the middle in the same way that ross perot did, only without the built in crazyness of ole' big ears.
perot got 19% of the popular vote in 1992 against an incumbent and an electric personality/politician... 16 years on, bloomberg will/could run at a time when many more americans are disenfranchised with both parties than they were in '92, with no clear candidate stepping to the forefront.
he might not win... but it certainly would be interesting.
the thing i absolutely love about mike bloomberg, the way he's run new york city thus far, is that he can't be bought out... who's gonna buy out a billionaire? bill gates? the guy's got all the money in the world, he could care less about special interest groups, he simply makes decisions based on what he feels is best. he's done things that lean right, he's done things that lean left. he's done things that have hurt the tobacco companies, the fast food industry, the oil companies. he doesn't give a crap.
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MrsSpringsteen
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http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_170181024.html
On Wednesday, Bloomberg echoed what he stated Tuesday about keeping his job as mayor. "My intentions are to be mayor for the next 925 days," he said during a noon news conference.
He did, however, go off on long tangents about his opinions on political policies after saying he did believe that there needs to be more candidates running for president. "I do think the more people that run for office the better. Hopefully this country is smart enough to pick someone to lead this country fully. Nobody is going to have an easy time," he said.
On Wednesday, Bloomberg echoed what he stated Tuesday about keeping his job as mayor. "My intentions are to be mayor for the next 925 days," he said during a noon news conference.
He did, however, go off on long tangents about his opinions on political policies after saying he did believe that there needs to be more candidates running for president. "I do think the more people that run for office the better. Hopefully this country is smart enough to pick someone to lead this country fully. Nobody is going to have an easy time," he said.
Let's say he does run...and Hillary wins the Democratic candidacy, and Giuliani the Republican (unlikely in my book, but just for arguments sake)
That means all the candidates will be from New York. I wonder how the rest of the country will feel about that.
Methinks that will allow room for a fourth candidate, a more conservative one to come in. Could that one win? Having three liberal candidates may make more conservative voters run after that fourth person.
That means all the candidates will be from New York. I wonder how the rest of the country will feel about that.
Methinks that will allow room for a fourth candidate, a more conservative one to come in. Could that one win? Having three liberal candidates may make more conservative voters run after that fourth person.
2861U2
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
I think we have more than enough candidates right now (Two-thirds of which have absolutely zero chance). However, I dont think Bloomberg entering the race would be entirely bad. He might have the same effect as Nader did. He is anti-war, so he would split the anti-war vote with Hillary, hopefully propelling the Republican nominee to victory.
