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Old 05-05-2005, 10:42 AM   #16
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Sorry Irvine, you're quite right. It pushed my buttons and I apologise for name calling, there is a better way for me to inform or correct people than to do what I did.


no worries. we've all flown of the handle at some point (looks directly at self).

can i also tell you how much i adore Edinburgh?
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:44 AM   #17
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As an American of mostly Scottish heritage, I'm well aware of the difference between "England" and the "United Kingdom".
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Old 05-05-2005, 01:02 PM   #18
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we know the difference between England and the UK, as well as the difference between the Netherlands and Holland
Really? Is there a difference? Pardon my ignorance, but do you use the term Netherlands for Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg as a group?

Honestly, I thought Netherlands and Holland was the same thing...
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Old 05-05-2005, 01:02 PM   #19
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Maybe one of our Dutch post-ers can enlighten us here...?

Rono? Marty?
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Maybe one of our Dutch post-ers can enlighten us here...?

Rono? Marty?
Do you want to have the long or short answer...
OK, quickly then. The official name of my beautiful country (which is celebrating Liberation Day today, coincidentally) is the Netherlands. As small as it is (compared to say the USA), the Netherlands is also divided into twelve provinces. Two of those provinces are called North- and South-Holland. So together you can call them Holland (on maps this would be the western part of the Netherlands, except for the south-west which is another province). Thus, Holland is not the same as the Netherlands. It is indeed like calling the UK England or the USA Dakota.

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P.S. I think that outside the USA many still call the native population of the USA Indians (and many colored people 'black' instead of Afro-American). I guess the PC-police haven't taken over our language yet...
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Re: "colored/"black"/"African-American" and "Native American/Indian/First Nations":

"Colored" is generally out in the U.S., although it is still used in the name of the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), a lobbying organization for black interests. Speaking of which, "black" is, while somewhat politically incorrect, still widely in use and not generally considered offensive. African-American is the most academic term, the most polite and PC...and also the hardest to say. Nevertheless, I tend to use African-American myself, although I'll use "black" as well.

"Native American" is probably the most widely-used term in America, and I say this because I think (and I could be wrong) that because Indian (as in, from India) people are immigrating to the U.S. and working for U.S. companies in greater numbers, people are realizing that it's important to distinguish "Native American" from "Indian." I actually prefer the Canadian term "First Nations," however, because, I mean, *I* am a native American, having been born here. But I'm not Cherokee or Mohawk or Chippewa or anything.

So complicated, all this.
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As an American of mostly Scottish heritage, I'm well aware of the difference between "England" and the "United Kingdom".

same here with my parents being from ireland......
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One was shaped like a pineapple and the other like a lemon...
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Do you want to have the long or short answer...
OK, quickly then. The official name of my beautiful country (which is celebrating Liberation Day today, coincidentally) is the Netherlands. As small as it is (compared to say the USA), the Netherlands is also divided into twelve provinces. Two of those provinces are called North- and South-Holland. So together you can call them Holland (on maps this would be the western part of the Netherlands, except for the south-west which is another province). Thus, Holland is not the same as the Netherlands. It is indeed like calling the UK England or the USA Dakota.

Impressive... so the Nethelands it is... I am wondering why do people still call it Holland as I have seen the wrong name all over the web and even on TV.

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can't resist on the obvious seinfeld reference:

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GEORGE: What is Holland?

JERRY: What do you mean, 'what is it?' It's a country right next to Belgium.

GEORGE: No, that's the Netherlands.

JERRY: Holland *is* the Netherlands.

GEORGE: Then who are the Dutch?
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Impressive... so the Nethelands it is... I am wondering why do people still call it Holland as I have seen the wrong name all over the web and even on TV.

Thanks, Marty
Ease of use, I guess.
And most of us Dutch probably don't mind. At least someone knows our little country.
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