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Old 08-16-2006, 10:14 AM   #31
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As an aside, was it originally intended to cover all names of God, or just God's actual name, as expressed in the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH"? I think the name, "Adonai," was adopted to refer to God, but that since it was never intended to be His actual name, it could be uttered. So if my understanding is correct, I don't see why "G-d" is necessary, since that's not His real name.

I'd be interested in your opinion on what I've written. Thanks!

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I believe it was intended as a blanket term for G-d, including all versions of the name.

G-d has many names in Judaism: Adonai, Elohim, YHWA, and the general term for G-d in Hebrew is: Elohim (pronounced "EL-OH-HEEM"). Religious Jews don't say Elohim but rather they add a "K" instead of an "H" (Elohim becomes EloKim).

Point of information, the literal meaning of Elohim means "many gods". Therefore the 2nd commandment which says: "thou shalt have no other gods before me" translates into "Elohim Aherim" (other gods) - in which case if a person refers to the gods of rome, greece, or any other god outside of Judaism, the word Elohim CAN be said with the "H".

When referring to the one G-d, then the word "Elokim" is used.

I hope I've expressed myself clearly........I'd be happy to clarify further if you'd like.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:15 AM   #32
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No, I don't think they're obliged to abide by the laws of my religion if they don't follow it. I would, however, hope that they would have enough good judgement to respect my beliefs as I respect theirs.

For instance, although I don't believe in Jesus Christ as the son of god, I won't swear: "Jesus Christ!!" in the presence of someone I know is catholic and a believer. For that matter, if I have occassion to visit a church or Christian holy site, I will respect the sanctity of the site in deference to the other believers.
I agree. It seems like it's more about respect than religious beliefs. It isn't going to kill someone to avoid saying "oh my god!" in front of people whom it offends. Why it offends them and whether or not they should be offended isn't for anyone else to decide but them. It's not like that phrase actually adds anything to the conversation. Like my mom always said to us kids "if it bugs someone, just don't do it!"
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I respect the right of people to be offended by it, but in the grand scheme of things for me there are so many things that are more important in anyone's conduct as a Christian.
Thanks for taking time to write. Your comments are very wise indeed, and really helped.
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though I generally agree that it is better to avoid conflict and therefore to adapt your language to your surroundings one could also argue that if you have to adapt your language to everyone you better just keep your mouth shut when in a room with 30 people to avoid offending anyone
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though I generally agree that it is better to avoid conflict and therefore to adapt your language to your surroundings one could also argue that if you have to adapt your language to everyone you better just keep your mouth shut when in a room with 30 people to avoid offending anyone
That is TRULY the best advice........thank you.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:28 AM   #36
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Something that initially surprised me when I moved to Mali, a country where most everyone is Muslim, is that the most common exclamations you hear are "E Allah!" or "Waalahi!" Usually said after something surprises you or you are expressing shock, sympathy, outrage, frustration or commiseration. I have no idea if this is unique to Muslims in West Africa or Muslims in general, but I found it interesting.
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I would be more offended by "Goddammit" than Oh my God
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I would be more offended by "Goddammit" than Oh my God
Unlike "oh my God", 'Goddammit' would be considered blasphemy because you are saying that God is damning something without any knowledge of whether or not it's true.

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though I generally agree that it is better to avoid conflict and therefore to adapt your language to your surroundings one could also argue that if you have to adapt your language to everyone you better just keep your mouth shut when in a room with 30 people to avoid offending anyone
What I meant was, if you're going to say something that adds nothing to your point and you already know it offends something, why say it? If you're in a room of 30 people having a discussion, it's important to speak up, but shouting "oh my god!" adds nothing to your point, it has no rhetorical value.
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I for one don't say Oh my God but I do say Oh my gosh or just Oh my if I feel the urge to say an Oh my anything....not because I think it's blasphemy but because I've always said it

I do say "shit" way more than I should - seems to sum up every emotion at anytime of the day
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What I meant was, if you're going to say something that adds nothing to your point and you already know it offends something, why say it? If you're in a room of 30 people having a discussion, it's important to speak up, but shouting "oh my god!" adds nothing to your point, it has no rhetorical value.
thing is that since shouting "oh my god" indeed doesn't have any rhetorical value people use it without thinking at all
it has become part of their normal way of communication
they don't mean to offend anyone, they probably aren't even aware they could

it makes for awkward conversation if you have to self censor yourself all the time

I'm all for holding back when you are aware you will offend someone
but people should also realise that not everything is meant in an offensive way
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I'm all for holding back when you are aware you will offend someone
but people should also realise that not everything is meant in an offensive way
I don't say it, but it doesn't offend me so much that I ask people not to say it. To me, it becomes annoying when people I know say it all like time, same as saying "like" or "you know". If it has no meaning to you, why keep saying it? But yeah, I agree, why say it if you're in a situation when you know it will be offensive? It's not censorship, but respect.
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Something that initially surprised me when I moved to Mali, a country where most everyone is Muslim, is that the most common exclamations you hear are "E Allah!" or "Waalahi!" Usually said after something surprises you or you are expressing shock, sympathy, outrage, frustration or commiseration. I have no idea if this is unique to Muslims in West Africa or Muslims in general, but I found it interesting.
Perhaps I should move to Mali...
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Perhaps I should move to Mali...
If you do, just don't forget the sunscreen! It's hot over there, Wallahi!
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i really don't see what's so hard about the difference between using the word "n*gger" versus "oh my god" in conversation.
They're both offensive to me.
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Thank you for that. As someone who doesn't like to hear God's name in vain, I definitely respect and appreciate your thoughfulness in the matter.
I don't say it. It offended my grandmother. It doesn't offend me personally but I know some people who feel otherwise.
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