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Old 09-06-2005, 05:36 PM   #91
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I agree the exit plan was a major failure, but I consider the reaction after the disaster hit a far heavier blunder. More could have been done to prevent this from happening, but once it did occur, and people's lives were at terrible risk, not nearly enough action was taken.

yes.

anyone who has worked in disaster relief will tell you: you've got 72 hours before people start to die.

it was friday -- FRIDAY -- before real relief arrived.
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for never living up to the phrase "the buck stops here" and doing what leaders should do: taking responsibility and accountability.
McClellan spoke for the President today. I hope he didn't back his boss into a corner.

Q I just want to follow up on David's questions on accountability. First, just to get you on the record, where does the buck stop in this administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President.

Q All right. So he will be held accountable as the head of the government for the federal response that he's already acknowledged was inadequate and unacceptable?




Read the entire press briefing here
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McClellan spoke for the President today. I hope he didn't back his boss into a corner.

Q I just want to follow up on David's questions on accountability. First, just to get you on the record, where does the buck stop in this administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President.

Q All right. So he will be held accountable as the head of the government for the federal response that he's already acknowledged was inadequate and unacceptable?




Read the entire press briefing here

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang! The White House press grows a pair finally .

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Q In addition to help, they might want some answers, too.

MR. McCLELLAN: And they're going to get them. But now is not the time, Terry.

Q No, it is the time, Scott.
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Sadly...

On the Boston radio today, specific sections of Louisiana law was read.

Specifically, the Mayor of NO had the legal responsibility and the authority to take control of all of the buses that we witnessed sitting in the lots. He did not

Sadly, he had the authority, by law to force people to leave, not give them the choice to stay.

Sadly, 200 Police Officers turned in their badges and did not do their jobs to secure the city.

Sadly, police officers have been caught looting on tape when they were supposed to protect people and property.

Sadly, the partisan board at FYM does not seem to care that there are SO MANY POPLE WHO FAILED the CITIZENS, they would prefer to blame Bush than look at the entire picture.

If the elected officials of NO, specifically the mayor, who should have secured the city days before, there would not have been the need for the rescue effort.


I hope I can find the Louisana Laws online....because if what was read on the radio today is true....Bush is not nearly the person whose head should roll....not even in the ballpark.
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I'm not saying the mayor isn't responsible. There's enough blame to go around.

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Sadly, he had the authority, by law to force people to leave, not give them the choice to stay.
Yes, b/c we see how easy it is to get people to leave when Martial Law is in place.

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Are police officers not citizens too? How are we to know that they did not lose their homes, loved ones, etc? I don't think it's fair to judge them.


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If the elected officials of NO, specifically the mayor, who should have secured the city days before, there would not have been the need for the rescue effort.
In fantasy land maybe. There still would have been a need for a rescue operation, no matter what. Hindsight is, indeed, 20/20.
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Sadly, the partisan board at FYM does not seem to care that there are SO MANY POPLE WHO FAILED the CITIZENS, they would prefer to blame Bush than look at the entire picture.

If the elected officials of NO, specifically the mayor, who should have secured the city days before, there would not have been the need for the rescue effort.
I agree there are more to blame besides Bush, but I don't think anything could have been done to eliminate a rescue effort completely. But there is still the point that when a rescue effort needed to be made you don't wait that long.
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Are police officers not citizens too? How are we to know that they did not lose their homes, loved ones, etc? I don't think it's fair to judge them.
Yes, by all means, we should not be judging people. It's the FYM way!
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But there is still the point that when a rescue effort needed to be made you don't wait that long.
Can someone explain to me how one rescues 100,000 people in rising water say, by Thursday? Within 48 hours of the levee breaking?
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Yes, by all means, we should not be judging people. It's the FYM way!
That made me smile.

I forgot where I was for a second. Thanks for the reminder.
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The police officers were being shot in the back as they walked down the street.
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We've all seen the pictures of the 100+ buses under water, that right there is massive question number one.

I agree that all levels should be grilled, starting with the events before the storm and what local/state level did/didn't do.

From there it's post storm, and that's where FEMA appears to have a lot to answer for, and moving forward from now I'd say that's the most important question that every US citizen would want answered. The incompetence of the New Orleans Mayor won't effect other US citizens in the future, but FEMA's very well could.
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Mayor Ray Nagin is, sadly, a product of the tangled web of corruption that has always been in NO's history.

Sadly, the Local effort was a failure.
Sadly, the State effort was a failure.
Sadly, the Federal effort was a failure.
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Can someone explain to me how one rescues 100,000 people in rising water say, by Thursday? Within 48 hours of the levee breaking?
Even if they were not able to get 100,000 people out under those immediate conditions (understandable), what about their ability to send IN food, water, medical help and security?
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Even if they were not able to get 100,000 people out under those immediate conditions (understandable), what about their ability to send IN food, water, medical help and security?
This should have been put in place at the moment the decision to house thousands of people in the Superdome was made. A hurricane evacuation plan for hurricanes/flood should have been something that a city like NO should have been able to execute in their sleep.

The Mayor/Governor were asleep at the wheel.

(Note: this does not take away from the Bush crowd screw ups).

As far as I'm concerned the blame can be split 3 ways equally.
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