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Old 09-05-2005, 03:56 PM   #31
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And who's to say she is not. I'm sure we wouldn't want to be judgmental here.
Isn't it fairly obvious that if she was in New York, closing down a street in order to shop for shoes, she wasn't at a desk working? For that matter, isn't the normal place of work for the Secretary of State in another city altogether?
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So she needed a pair of wellington boots (oh man, i just wanted an excuse to say wellington boots cause i love those words). How's about she gives one of her assistants a sum of money, tells them what size she takes and lets them go shoe shopping on her behalf. Alternatively how's about she pops into a local shoe shop after work instead of shutting down a New York street to shop in an exclusive store?


IN all seriousness, having participated in the protection of many foreign dignitaries....

There is no quiet shopping....ever.
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IN all seriousness, having participated in the protection of many foreign dignitaries....

There is no quiet shopping....ever.
Okay, I don't actually doubt that. But what reason did she have to need to go shoe shopping at all? Let alone in New York, let alone in an exclusive designer store.

I think it's fairly clear she was shopping because she wanted to, not out of necessity, which is why I think it's entirely legitimate to ask why she prioritised a shoppping trip over helping coordinate relief for those affected by the hurricane.
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I imagine some of the fun of wearing that particular pair of obscenely expensive heels has been lost for Condi. How could our top diplomat not see the hypocrisy of buying them while thousands died, many of them barefoot?
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Shoeshopping when there's WORK to be done?!?!


That, my friends, is why we must never have a woman president.
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Normally that kind of shit doesn't bother me, but you know what?

Thanks for the stereotype, joke or not.

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Maybe she could have coordinated the aid offers that are coming in from foreign countries.
It's also her department that coordinates with other countries and their embassies/consulates in tracking down/getting info on/getting out tourists stuck in the area (of which, in a 'tourist town' like New Orleans there were thousands). You may not know it in the US, but there is a firestorm in the overseas media about how diplomatic officials from other countries were treated while trying to find out the most basic information. THAT is the State Dept.
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Isn't it fairly obvious that if she was in New York, closing down a street in order to shop for shoes, she wasn't at a desk working? For that matter, isn't the normal place of work for the Secretary of State in another city altogether?
May I also point out that while in New York, she went to:

the US Open tennis
Spamalot
Ferragamo

It's not just about shoes, it's about looking extremely unprofessional.
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I don't know that the blame game lands on any one person or group in particular. From what I can tell, every level fucked up big time. Local (we've all seen the pictures of the buses), State and Federal. All fucked up. At local and state level it's all about leadership. They'll get theirs. At Federal though, I think if I was an American I'd be hounding FEMA. They seem to have not a clue in the world, and you seem to be paying a fortune for this lovely Homeland Security Dept, who also seem to be proving themselves more and more as little but a propaganda crew. A State leader is many things, and you'd hope that one of those things is an effective manager and leader in a time of crisis, but an organisation like FEMA is only one thing - and they weren't even that. That's where I'd be applying the pressure.
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I shall call it "DEATH BY BUREAUCRACY".
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The thing that keeps coming up in the news reports is that when FEMA became part of the Homeland Security Department, it became less effective. I think when all is said and done, that decision will be the major factor on why the relief efforts were delayed this time.
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I'm actually surprised someone here hasn't already blamed God.
it is my understanding that some religous groups actually have. gotta get rid of the gays and fornicators to prepare the kingdom.
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Yeah, I heard that. In their case, I'd say that was thanking God, though, and not blaming him.
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May I also point out that while in New York, she went to:

the US Open tennis
Spamalot
Ferragamo

It's not just about shoes, it's about looking extremely unprofessional.
I didn't realise that.

I'm sorry but I fail to understand those of you who are defending her actions. She could have been doing something to help the people in New Orleans and instead she chose to go shopping and watch tennis. How is this acceptable to you? She prioritised her leisure activities over her job just days after a terrible natural disaster.

To me this has nothing to do with soundbites or indignation or anything else it's been dismissed as, it is quite simply that I cannot understand how it is acceptable for the Secretary of State to spend her time watching tennis and shopping for shoes when she should have been doing whatever she could to help the relief effort.

How is this acceptable? Please, enlighten me because right now I cannot comprehend the fact that people are defending her conduct.
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Even if there's nothing she reasonably could have done as Secretary of State, as a politician, she should realize how her actions would be perceived.
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