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Old 10-18-2007, 11:11 AM   #31
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<-- this man is more intelligent than 99% of white people.

ETA: Mos Def, I mean. Not me
He's a better musician than I am.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:48 PM   #32
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i hear you, but i guess what i'm wondering is if we can determine that any one group is less intelligent, or more intelligent (like, say, Ashkenazi Jews), does it affect how one might make policy in any way, shape, or form? i'm sure some idiots will take comfort in the fact that their group is supposedly smarter than another (working under this assumption), but as real world applications go, what is the "worth" of this knowledge?
I think that it will have an effect on genetic screening of embryos and in some brave new world the engineering of people with greater potential; and that is independent of race.

If the technology exists and I have the money then I would definitely be willing to give my kids such an advantage.

As far as individuals go they are not proof for or against, individuals are not entire populations.
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How would you see this benefiting society in general?
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Does it need to benefit society in general?

There are potential benefits for individuals being smart, it crosses over across quite a few pursuits. If more people are at that upper threshold then it would have concequences both positive and negative.
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The consequence would be that people with lesser income basically could give up their hopes that their child will have a better future as it would be extremely unlikely for the kid to be able to compete with those engineered.
A dream come true for any Social Darwinist.
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I doubt that we will ever see utopia or dystopia, things always continue.
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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Nobel laureate biologist Jim Watson apologized "unreservedly" Thursday for stating that black people were not as intelligent as whites, saying he was "mortified" by the comments attributed to him.

"I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said," Watson said during an appearance at the Royal Society in London.

"I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways that they have."

"To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief," he said.

Watson, 79, an American who won the 1962 Nobel prize for his role in the discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA, told the Sunday Times he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really."
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pffft

His apology rings hollow.
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Let me guess, he was taken out of context?
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I think that it will have an effect on genetic screening of embryos and in some brave new world the engineering of people with greater potential; and that is independent of race.

If the technology exists and I have the money then I would definitely be willing to give my kids such an advantage.

As far as individuals go they are not proof for or against, individuals are not entire populations.
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This is scary thinking.

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This is scary thinking.

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almost as scary as the desperate need to claim that less than 100% of sexual orientation is based in biology.
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almost as scary as the desperate need to claim that less than 100% of sexual orientation is based in biology.
wrong.
i submit that it's easier to changed one's sexual orientation than one's skin pigmentation.

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pffft

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Nobel laureate biologist James Watson was suspended Friday from his longtime post at a research laboratory and canceled his planned British book tour after controversial comments that black people are not as intelligent as white people.

Watson has apologized for the controversial remarks.

He failed to appear to a book signing at a London bookshop Friday afternoon, and organizers of his planned Sunday evening talk at Newcastle's Center for Life said they had been informed Watson would not appear because he was already on a flight home to the States.

The board of trustees at New York's Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, which Watson has led for nearly four decades, said they had suspended his administrative responsibilities pending a review of his comments.
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wrong.
i submit that it's easier to changed one's sexual orientation than one's skin pigmentation.

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you'd be surprised.

ever heard of passing?
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i submit that it's easier to changed one's sexual orientation
You should try it and see how that goes then.
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