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Old 01-20-2002, 01:21 PM   #1
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I just saw this film and really enjoyed it. An excellent portrayal of a confusing and horrific battle - Mogadishu 1993.

All political perspectives aside, the story really shows how a group of young Americans held their ground under overwhelming odds. It doesn't have as much character developement as Saving Private Ryan, but it doesn't seem to try. It also isn't a cheesy flag waver like Pearl Harbor. It sticks to the facts of the event very closely - a short operation that turned long and ugly. Like it or not, the US government sends its troops into some nasty places. This is a good film about what can happen.
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And besides, it is a great launching pad for American support as we take the war on terrorism to Somalia next.. HAHahaha... Opening up a can of worms there. yes i did write worms.. worms..
Let me get this straight; its a great launching pad for the NEXT war on Somalia? Is this true? I do know the USA has big plans for other countries, but do you honestly think that Somalia might be next?

I sincerely hope not.

I really want to see the movie, and I could have seen it today, but I have an exam to revise for so I'll go the day after tomorrow. Apart from the aforementioned reasons, the film is directed by my favourite director, British Ace-talent Ridley Scott; now HE'S a genius.

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Let me get this straight; its a great launching pad for the NEXT war on Somalia? Is this true? I do know the USA has big plans for other countries, but do you honestly think that Somalia might be next?

I sincerely hope not.

I really want to see the movie, and I could have seen it today, but I have an exam to revise for so I'll go the day after tomorrow. Apart from the aforementioned reasons, the film is directed by my favourite director, British Ace-talent Ridley Scott; now HE'S a genius.

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From what i've heard, Somalia is up on the agenda soon if not in time.. Mostly because it is the most likely second homing ground for al queda troops and bin laden himself as they try and regroup, cuz really no other country would harbor him..

Yes.. R. Scott.. An amazingly geniusical talent..

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Yes.. R. Scott.. An amazingly geniusical talent..
Are you serious? You like him too? FINALLY, someone who recognises his genius. Whats your favourite movie of his?

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Are you serious? You like him too? FINALLY, someone who recognises his genius. Whats your favourite movie of his?

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I'm a big big fan of Blade RUnner, it's one of my favs.. though i'm kinda sad it was released that he was a replicant, I kinda liked the mystery..
But also, I really like White Squall, I'm not sure why, but it's got a place in my fav's... most defly a hidden gem
and of course, I love Gladiator, I tink it's a perfect blend of action, blind action, music, and cinematography.

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Oh My Gosh.. Oh My Gosh.. (Haha.. a little teeny bopper ignorance for you).. I too saw this movie, and I have to say it was very good, very realistic in regards to how a movie can recreate a war scene... What's disturbing is that it is even glamorized.. jsut because movies are that way.. which makes you realize just how shitty ti was there.. I will say that I did almost walk out, when (No spoiler here) they took the american to drag him in the streets.. yet they didn't show it.. And my girlfriend told me that (well what do you think americans would do if we were being invaded).. and honestly, that's a good point, but it doesn't matter, Even back in teh days of Hector being dragged in the Iliad, That's just a horrifyig image for any country, any person, but I'm not addressing that here.. not now.. back to the movie, I will say that I tink it was a conscious decison on the director et al to not develop any characters. Hartnet's performance was weak though.. not yet redeeming him for Pearl Harbor.. they more wanted the army to be faceless heroes, to have everyone look alike, but some of the performances were excellent.. Sizemore as always, comes through with great acting.. as well as the one pilot from armageddon. Don't know his name, but youl'll recognize him if you see it...

Also, just one more thing, I've heard all about teh rumors or upheavings taht this movie is Racist.. And I tink bill o reily put it best... 'We couldn't hav gone in and gottenthe somali perspective, cuz we'd have been killed in the process'.. I think taht says copious amounts of teh real attitude fo teh people and of the situation there...

I too did like it alot, You realize just how brave those guys are, and the ones we've got over in afghani now... just how heroic they are... Searching those caves and what not...

And besides, it is a great launching pad for American support as we take the war on terrorism to Somalia next.. HAHahaha... Opening up a can of worms there. yes i did write worms.. worms..
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Where I live, we have a burgeoning population of Somalian immigrants and refugees. I know that they have been uncomfortable and unhappy with this movie as they feel it will only serve to strain relationships and paint them in broad, general strokes as "the bad guys." And I tend to agree with them. I don't see myself going to see this movie.
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Here there is two kind of critics : the 'commercial' ones and 'the others'.

The commercial ones tend to agree and accept and glorify anything and everything about Hollywood and big productions. The others sometimes agree, sometimes disagree.

And the frontier is remarkable. The commercial ones say this movie is good and that it shows everything as they were. The other ones say its not worth of seeing. Commercial critics could be shown as a majority of big medias and the other ones are usually free newspapers, little medias and other stuff. There really is a frontier. I even saw something (in a big newspaper) saying something like : "Hollywood shows the US colors... what's news ?" or "Again ?", historical critics and "Good vs Evil... nothing new".

Personally, I'm with the little ones. I went see that movie and left at about the middle time.

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you know hollywood would make a sept 11th film right now, if they could.
Black hawk down=more ZZZZZ bullshit from hollywood.
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Its for sure that Hollywood will make a film on September II 200I, maybe more and than one (y'know.. they've done a Titanic movie twice.. one in I953 and one in I997, not to mention the hundreds of times the name 'Titanic' was mentionned). I just hope they don't invent a fucking love stroy like they've done with Titanic. Being a Titanic survivor, go see the film and only really capture the fucking love story between two fictious people... nah. Now they will invent the love story of two employees working in the World Trade Center, the guy dies during the crumble, the girl is trapped and she wants to die but finally she remembers that the guy said "stay alive, make lots of babies" and so she decides to live, she's rescued and she goes on the memorial of the WTC 80 years after, she starts sleeping on a bench in the memorial.. or maybe something else. The structure of this story is a instant hit, give it the appropriate budget and its a mega-hit and everyone forgets Jack & Rose on Titanic and they now search for "Jack"'s tomb in the WTC cimetery. No real rendition of the real story, but an instant hit and all the girls go wild. I hope this scenario will not happen "if the world really changed".

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LOL holy john, that's EXACTLY how it will be made.
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we can make something beautiful , something that wouldn't be a problem ,

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Where I live, we have a burgeoning population of Somalian immigrants and refugees. I know that they have been uncomfortable and unhappy with this movie as they feel it will only serve to strain relationships and paint them in broad, general strokes as "the bad guys." And I tend to agree with them. I don't see myself going to see this movie.
From what I have read, they were torn between delving into the lives of Somali's.. making them more like real people in the movie, and at the same time, developing the US soldiers a bit more as well, .. You're right.. a lot of people are labeling this movie racist.. But I'm not so sure that the movie is supposed to be about... In light of the September 11 events.. (And I know that this is a direct contradiction), but I'm not so sure that the movie is anymore about the Somalia conflict, or our 15 hours stranded there with these Somalis firing at us, dragging us through the streets... or how they felt they were being invaded by us, or them wondering why we're there fighting when we were supposed to be just delivering food.. Much like U2's new album.. It has taken on a different meaning, more to show the horrors of war, as only a movie can.. I'm sure it'll be labeled propaganda, and it already has by suelwasgirl, but It reminds us of how Brutal war is.. Not necessarily just Somalis, but At the Present moment, the Al Queda, Bin Laden, Those people who want all of us dead.. Those who would take the fork they're using to eat with and stab it in our throats, Slam the Handcuff against an MP's head to inflict pain and hopefully kill him, Regardless of who it paints as a running mob, It gets into the American's head to realize that there are some shitty people out there who want us dead.. (Again regardless of the situation) and hopefully get into the heads of some of those who think Manacling the detainees, or hooding them is 'bad treatment', and i'm sure the imminent executions of a large number of them...

Again, I realize that this is a different take on the movie, but no different than many of yours on a song like 'walk on' or Bono's new interpretation of 'in a little while' with j. ramone..

All in said, I think it's a good movie for people to see, Just to be reminded of it.. And I'll agree... I almost left in the middle of it, but not because of some sort of imagined 'racial stereotypes' that many people complain of, and sulawesigirl.. if you have not seen it, how can you 'agree with the proverbial them' on the strained relationships you see coming on?.. go see it and judge for yourself. Somalia is a nation that harbors terrorists.. Hence, they are against us.. hence.. (yes hence again).. the bad guys... Free your mind.

And ANthony.. Yah, I just like Blade Runner so much better when it's not the directors cut.. It just doesn't sit with me what they did... And yes.. Still one of my fav's

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And ANthony.. Yah, I just like Blade Runner so much better when it's not the directors cut.. It just doesn't sit with me what they did... And yes.. Still one of my fav's
Damn right !! the full version was much more higher , better etc etc
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