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Old 06-28-2005, 08:34 AM   #31
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So, again, yes, I feel pretty comfortable saying you're mistaken.
So, let me get this straight, one last time.

You really think that we're more likely to hear veiled insults aimed toward Islam than we are to hear outright, in your face insults aimed at Christians?

If so, let's put it to the test. Keep your eyes out specifically for each in the coming week, then tell me what you've discovered.
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well, i have to listen to you -- and others -- tell me how "sinful" and "wrong" i am, and if i speak out agains this, i am somehow insutling your religion.

it's not a perfect world -- you can't expect to feel comfortable at all times, so welcome to how many of us feel pretty much all the time.

i also find it funny -- and this is a general comment, not directed at you 80s -- that some people complain that society's failure to perfectly represent their moral code across all culture and politics is somehow tantamount to religious descrimination.

i return to my post on secularism. the only way you can be authentically religious is in a truly secular society.
Good grief, Irvine, as I told Pax, I said nothing about society in general. I was speaking specifically about these forums. I was responding specifically to a couple of posts that were about insults aimed at Islam.
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I didn't say that. What I did say is that I'm tired of certain Christians complaining of "oppression," "censorship," whatever...when their (narrow-minded, dangerous, oftentimes very unloving) ideology is pretty damn powerful in this country right now.

And I bet if you looked through old threads, when I used to mod, you'd find quite often that I tried to ensure that conservative beliefs, respectfully stated, were defended and protected in FYM.

Veiled insults about Islam? Well, sure, I've seen some. I'm not going to speculate on the balance of Islam insults vs. Christianity insults. But I will pretty much at any insistence that the beliefs of conservative Christians are pilloried more regularly here, or anywhere else in this country, than other beliefs.
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Also, when you say that people "insult" Christianity, I think you are talking about a few post-ers who are atheists, and thus have the same opinion of Christianity that they would of Hinduim, Taoism, the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster-ism, whatever.
Does it make any difference who's doing it? I didn't specify.
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Good grief, Irvine, as I told Pax, I said nothing about society in general. I was speaking specifically about these forums. I was responding specifically to a couple of posts that were about insults aimed at Islam.


how is the "insults" you hear about Christianity any different than your belief that the sexual orientation of many members on this list is "wrong" and "sinful"?
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Also, when you say that people "insult" Christianity, I think you are talking about a few post-ers who are atheists, and thus have the same opinion of Christianity that they would of Hinduim, Taoism, the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster-ism, whatever.
Or the IPU - the Invisible Pink Unicorn for the uninitiated.

Let us bow down and worship the ineffable mystery of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
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how is the "insults" you hear about Christianity any different than your belief that the sexual orientation of many members on this list is "wrong" and "sinful"?
Very good question...
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I didn't say that. What I did say is that I'm tired of certain Christians complaining of "oppression," "censorship," whatever...when their (narrow-minded, dangerous, oftentimes very unloving) ideology is pretty damn powerful in this country right now.

And I bet if you looked through old threads, when I used to mod, you'd find quite often that I tried to ensure that conservative beliefs, respectfully stated, were defended and protected in FYM.
Pax, you did say that I was mistaken. In fact, you said it in those words: "you're mistaken".

I also didn't say anything about your mod duties. I fact, I ahve gone on record at least twice saying that you do a fine job. But the fact that you reprimanded then for saying thos ethings doesn't mean they didn't say them.
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Pax, you did say that I was mistaken. In fact, you said it in those words: "you're mistaken".
Honestly, do you scan FYM looking for things to get offended at?
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how is the "insults" you hear about Christianity any different than your belief that the sexual orientation of many members on this list is "wrong" and "sinful"?
Because that belief is quite simply, a belief. I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops, I do not use it against people. In fact, as you'll recall, I was quite careful to say that I didn't think it was all that simple.

Name me once that I have called anyone in these forums "wrong" and "sinful" because they are gay?
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Honestly, do you scan FYM looking for things to get offended at?
Pax said that I was mistaken, then Pax said that she never said I was mistaken. I didn't get offended; I just pointed out to her that was incorrect.

To answer your question:

Not as much as you scan the newspapers looking for reasons to bash Bush.
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To answer your question:

Not as much as you scan the newspapers looking for reasons to bash Bush.
It's a tough job but someone's got to do it.
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Ive felt at times that there was an unfair balance of criticism at christians as opposed to others
But sometimes it is specified as right wing conservative christianity.
But most of the time I cant tell the difference
Thats okay though I guess. Now I can be lazy and not even step out of my house to be persecuted
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Even if I believed there were all these veiled insults toward Christians being tossed around FYM--which I don't--I feel less sympathy toward the people who enjoy all the comforts and protections of their beliefs currently being in political vogue than I do towards those whose faith is in a minority and being unfairly maligned because of a smaller minority within it.

So let me clarify: Yes, I do believe 80s is mistaken. Although my original intent in posting was to point out that a group of people whose leaders currently enjoy most significant political power in this country, I do believe he's mistaken. Not so much in that a balance of insults in this forum are directed toward Christians more so than toward Muslims, but that the remarks against a particularly nasty brand of Christianity have less impact than those about Muslims.

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It's a tough job but someone's got to do it.
Ha, well you don't have to work so hard...take a rest every once in a while...kick your shoes off and grab a tall glass of tea and relax...

Because there's plenty of people who will pick up the slack while you're on vacation.
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