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Old 10-19-2004, 12:26 AM   #16
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I can say the same thing because Christianity is ignorant superstition that gets people killed, now if I were to hypotheticaly say the same things about Islam then I would be called an Islamophobic racist - ahhh the vagaries of political correctness.
Too true.

You can have a movie called "White Chicks" which totally stereotypes whites, but if there was a movoe called "Black Chicks" it would be labled racist propaganda. It's pathetic really.
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I however do mean it in all seriousness when I say that religion generally gets people killed - Christianity overcame most of its problems but is now impotent and will mostly die out by the end of the century. You and I may disagree on the matter but I accept your right to hold your beliefs - provided that you do not start killing people in the name of God.
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So what? He voiced his opinion, and SO WHAT? Has he hurt or threatened or taunted or in any other way made the lives of others difficult because of their belief in whatever religion it may be? No. All he's done is voice his opinion. When people say to 'respect' others' religion, the gist of that is 'don't hurt people or treat people badly just because you don't share their beliefs'. I don't think Mahr has hurt anybody or treated anybody badly. All he did was state his opinion, which is that religion is stupid. If you want to complain about anything, then perhaps it is more accurate to complain about his lack of tact in voicing his opinion.
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So what? He voiced his opinion, and SO WHAT? Has he hurt or threatened or taunted or in any other way made the lives of others difficult because of their belief in whatever religion it may be? No. All he's done is voice his opinion. When people say to 'respect' others' religion, the gist of that is 'don't hurt people or treat people badly just because you don't share their beliefs'. I don't think Mahr has hurt anybody or treated anybody badly. All he did was state his opinion, which is that religion is stupid. If you want to complain about anything, then perhaps it is more accurate to complain about his lack of tact in voicing his opinion.
Are you this tolerant of all opinions? The point being made is that some opinions result in dire consequences while others are ignored - and the basis for that difference.
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Are you this tolerant of all opinions? The point being made is that some opinions result in dire consequences while others are ignored - and the basis for that difference.
I assume you're referring to the idea that if were to have said those things about homosexualality instead, that his career would be over right about now. First off, let me make it clear that I support gay rights, I think gay marriage should be allowed everywhere. That said, I don't think the religion thing and the gay thing are all that comprable. Why? Because people are generally more sensative to homosexualality. When gay people tell their family and friends that they're gay, that's a hard thing, and it's likely one of the defining moments of that person's life, and to say that it is 'stupid' would no doubt hurt them emotionally. But with religion, when you find a religion that you believe in and love, is telling people that you're Christian or Muslim or Jewish or whatever ever as hard and life-changing as telling people you're gay? I don't think so, and as such I'm inclined to think that's why it doesn't spark the same kind of outrage. I'm niether gay nor religious, but just from an observer's standpoint, this is my take on it.
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I wasn't refering to homosexuality, just the broader concept of how "opinions" are accepted/addressed in society, especially those dealing with race/religion/ethnicity/sexual orientation etc.
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I apologize in advance if this is an old topic, but I just heard these comments for the first time this weekend.

From Bill Maher, on Larry King Live aired June 2, 2004






Wow. Intolerant. Insensitive. Ignorant. Any other thoughts?
Yeah...his opinion. Which he has a right to. Which other people including myself agree with. Just because we don't believe in god doesn't mean it is an ignorant decision. I've read, talked to people, explored many religions and came to the conclusion that I just don't believe in something I consider an outdated way of looking at life and the universe.

I keep my opinions to myself because I am in the minority. It seems that the majority wins in this argument, and if you are not a believer it makes you ignorant and uneducated
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Maher isn't an atheist. His issue is with religion not God--not that it matters much in terms of how he has offended all religious people and I don't defend the way he expresses himself about it, yet I understand where he's coming from except that even though I can be kind of down on religion myself, I understand and appreciate that it sincerely helps people, too.

So if anyone's interested, here is an article devoted to Maher and a discussion of his spiritual beliefs.

http://www.suntimes.com/special_sect...nws-god24.html

The God Factor
Chicago Sun-Times, October 24, 2004

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Despite his bellicose relationship with Christians -- and believers of any religious persuasion, for that matter -- Maher does have an odd appreciation for a kind of basic morality that just happens to be rooted in the Gospel.

"Morality is mostly the Golden Rule, treating other people the way you would like other people to treat you," he says. "I mean, the teachings of Jesus are a great moral guide. Jesus is one of the greatest role models I can think of. It's a shame that Christianity has gone so far from the teachings of Jesus. I don't know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.
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"Morality is mostly the Golden Rule, treating other people the way you would like other people to treat you," he says. "I mean, the teachings of Jesus are a great moral guide. Jesus is one of the greatest role models I can think of. It's a shame that Christianity has gone so far from the teachings of Jesus. I don't know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.[/i]
Amen.
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Despite his bellicose relationship with Christians -- and believers of any religious persuasion, for that matter -- Maher does have an odd appreciation for a kind of basic morality that just happens to be rooted in the Gospel.

"Morality is mostly the Golden Rule, treating other people the way you would like other people to treat you," he says. "I mean, the teachings of Jesus are a great moral guide. Jesus is one of the greatest role models I can think of. It's a shame that Christianity has gone so far from the teachings of Jesus. I don't know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.
And Maher is the person to determine who lives a "Jesus-like" life? He sounds just as or more selective with his Scripture reading as the people at which he is pointing his finger.
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And Maher is the person to determine who lives a "Jesus-like" life?
I think he is as qualified as anyone who has studied the Bible and is a keen observer of human behavior.
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Under that definition, a substantial portion of the US would qualify.

I guess if we live in a society that treats the Bible like a menu, we can get more experts on the subject.
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