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Old 09-25-2006, 07:50 PM   #16
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what about not doing anything for 8 months, ending the weekly meetings that Clinton had about Bin Laden, igorning memos that said things such as "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within the US," reverting back to a Cold War mentality, hiring a national security advisor who's area of expertise was the USSR (a country no longer in existence), the elevation of China into Public Enemy #1, firing Richard Clarke, not spending the $60bn it would take to make our ports secure, letting OBL go in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001 because resources were diverted to the unnecessary, foolish debacle that became the Iraq War?

i'd be pretty purple-faced about that.
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units to Kuwait for the invasion of Iraq until the summer of 2002 and nearly all of these units came from the 3rd Mechanized Infantry Division a heavy division with hundreds of tanks and other heavy armored vehicles that would never be deployed to Afghanistan to chase anyone through the moutains. As of Christmas 2002, the 1st Marine MEF, a 1/3 of the initial invasion force had not even been ordered to Kuwait. One could argue that there were not enough resources in Afghanistan to begin with, but not that the invasion of Iraq caused some major diversion of recources. Out of a total of 88 Brigades that the United States has, only between 2 and 4 have ever been on the ground in Afghanistan at anyone time. Most forces sent into Iraq tend to be the heavy armor units especially during the initial invasion in 2003. The United States has not deployed any heavy armor units to Afghanistan and these were the main units involved in the initial invasion of Iraq.

Regardless of what one thinks what Bush did or did not do in the 7 months and 20 days he had before September 11, it simply does not stack up to the 8 years that Clinton had.
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The more I watch this interview, the more I think that Clinton's outburst was mostly calculated.
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Old 09-25-2006, 10:09 PM   #18
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This kind of hyperbolic, disingenuous, and inflammatory language is exactly what I have an issue with:

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. . . . a simple question is asked.

What would be the "simple" answer to this question?

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refuse to ask him questions about his response (lack of response) to Bin Laden for 8 years.

Disingenuous to suggest that a Republican president would have done things differently. Where was the great outcry from the right that Bin Laden must be stopped during the 90's. Oh that's right, there wasn't any.

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He must have thought he was going on CBS where Ed Bradley or some other old hack would be his lapdog for an interview and throw him softballs, and do his dirtywork for him like they did for Kerry when they were forging military documents for him.

old hack, lapdog, softballs, dirty work--all snappy, inflammatory language that has become far too common in public discourse today. Oh, sure it's entertaining and you can run over your opponents this way but they're hardly reasoned arguments. In fact there is a distinct lack of facts or reason in that entire paragraph. And the forging military documents for a Kerry is a flat-out untruth.

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When Bubba's face went purple, it was not due to the simple question being posed, but rather the guilt of doing nothing for 8 years and the guilt of knowing his own inactions led to 3000 people dying needlessly, and now he tries to act as the victim and turn Wallace into the bad guy, fun to watch a habitual liar and sex offender flip out when confronted with the truth.
Again where is the evidence that another president would have done much differently. And what does his being a sex offender have do with anything? And also, Clinton is not a sex offender--all the actions he was accused of with regarding Lewinsky were consensual and thus he would not have been charged with a sex crime.

This kind of nonsense is intellectual laziness at it's best (or worst).
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NEW YORK (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice challenged former President Clinton's claim that he did more than many of his conservative critics to pursue al Qaeda, saying in an interview published Tuesday that the Bush administration aggressively pursued the group even before the 9/11 attacks.

"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice said during a meeting with editors and reporters at the New York Post.

The newspaper published her comments after Clinton appeared on "Fox News Sunday" in a combative interview in which he defended his handling of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and said he "worked hard" to have the al Qaeda leader killed. (Watch as Clinton says he tried to kill bin Laden -- 1:18)

"That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Clinton said in the interview. "They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try; they did not try."

Rice disputed his assessment.

"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false -- and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," she said.

Rice also took exception to Clinton's statement that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for incoming officials when he left office.

"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," she told the newspaper, which is owned by News Corp., the same company that owns Fox News Channel.

In the interview, Clinton accused host Chris Wallace of a "conservative hit job" and asked: "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, 'Why didn't you do anything about the Cole?' I want to know how many people you asked, 'Why did you fire Dick Clarke?' "

Rice portrayed the departure of former White House anti-terrorism chief Richard A. Clarke differently, saying he "left when he did not become deputy director of homeland security."

The interview has been the focus of much attention -- drawing nearly 1.2 million views on YouTube and earning the show its best ratings in nearly three years.

Rice questioned the value of the dialogue.

"I think this is not a very fruitful discussion," she said. "We've been through it. The 9/11 commission has turned over every rock, and we know exactly what they said."

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, said she saw it differently.

"I just think that my husband did a great job in demonstrating that Democrats are not going to take this," she told Newsday on Monday.
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This story made national news on British TV.
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Again the voice of reason.

http://movies .crooksandliars.com/CountDown-SpecialComment-ClintonInterview.wmv

Remove the space as usual.

The headline is this: Bill Clinton did what almost none of us have done, in five years. He has spoken the truth about 9/11, and the current presidential administration.
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from today's Slate

[q]Bill Clinton wasn't sandbagged, because he is a smart politician. He just spent several weeks fighting ABC over its interpretation of his administration's hunt for Bin Laden. He knew the question was coming and he took advantage of it. Forty-three days before the election, he has provided a moment to rally party activists and attack the GOP at the heart of its perceived strength on handling terrorism.

Democrats should rejoice that Wallace was as tough as he was. If he had been supine, fearful of another 3,000-word report from Media Matters, the party and Clinton would have been denied an opportunity. And Clinton would have been disappointed, at least judging from his spokesperson's remarks afterward: "We're fully aware of Fox News' and Chris Wallace's agenda, and President Clinton came in prepared to respond to any attack on his record. When Wallace questioned his record on terrorism, he responded forcefully, as any Democrat would or should." In other words, he went in loaded for bear and blasted like Cheney as soon as he spotted one.

Did Clinton come across a little unhinged? Sure, but that's an advantage in a midterm election where party passion matters. Liberal activists want to see their Washington representatives fight back the way Clinton did. This was a rallying cry and a signal to other members of the party to do the same. Clinton can go to individual districts to campaign for competitive candidates, or he can sell the same message wholesale by banging the table in a single performance on Fox.

Clinton didn't just get the blood pumping among liberal activists. He made a policy critique aimed at the GOP election strategy designed to promote Republicans as the only party competent enough to handle terrorist threats. Each day people are discussing Clinton's performance or Wallace's questioning they will also be discussing which president did more to try to kill Bin Laden. Articles will revisit Bush's Aug. 6, 2001*, Presidential Daily Brief in which he was told al-Qaida was planning a major attack and to hijack planes, and producers will reinterview Richard Clarke, who says Bush dropped the ball. (Clarke's book, which is highly critical of the Bush team's pre-9/11 terror efforts, is in the top 10 on Amazon.)

The former president is also offering his wife the kind of help candidates don't usually get until they bring on their vice president. Bill can attack the right and mend fences with liberal activists, which benefits Hillary but also allows her the distance to stay above the fray.

If Bill Clinton becomes a hero of the liberal activists and liberal bloggers, it will be an extraordinary turnaround. Left-leaning bloggers who play a role in their party's politics usually savage him for triangulating and deal-making as president. Activists conjure him along with the DLC when describing policies that they consider too moderate, corporate, or otherwise insufficiently progressive. They have transferred onto his wife their suspicions about his willingness to deal away principle.

But Clinton's push-back against ABC over its 9/11 dramatization, which included unflattering fictional scenes about his administration, started his latest comeback. He even hosted a lunch with bloggers to plot strategy. The Fox interview is his second performance that not only attacks left-wing bogeymen but seeks to set the record straight against what liberals see as a tide of propaganda from the right and amnesia from the mainstream media. His attack on the "right wing" was an echo of his wife's famous complaint about the "vast right wing conspiracy" she claimed was out to get her husband during his tenure. Back then, Hillary drew attention to herself to help her husband's cause. Now, by defending himself, Bill Clinton helps hers.

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Old 09-26-2006, 12:59 PM   #23
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Wow, passion and fight from the midst of these tepid and standless Democrats. That's the first piece of excitement I've felt for a Democrat in forever. He's still the best leader the Democrats have. Bless his soul.
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Regardless of what one thinks what Bush did or did not do in the 7 months and 20 days he had before September 11, it simply does not stack up to the 8 years that Clinton had.
And ofcource the 5 years after 9/11 was a great succes because they catched bin laden ?
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And ofcource the 5 years after 9/11 was a great succes because they catched bin laden ?


perhaps if Bill Clinton had invaded Iraq, there never would have been a 9-11.

but now we'll never know ...
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Old 09-27-2006, 12:42 PM   #26
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Who was president when the twin towers came down?

Who actually flew the planes into the towers? It wasn't Bill Clinton.

Careful, babyface.
And who was president during the first WTC attack?
And what did he do to prevent further attacks?
And why did he take so long to go after Osama bin Laden?
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Wow. Passion, life, drama, Clinton's got it all. He's one of a kind.
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Wow. Passion, life, drama, Clinton's got it all. He's one of a kind.
and he can play the sax.

Clinton is quite popular here in the UK , no real anger towards him.

He once appeard in a corn flakes advert here lol
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IMAO EXCLUSIVE!



Former President Bill Clinton, while getting angry at Chris Wallace for being a monkey, claimed that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for the Bush Administration. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice disputes this. Despite the denial, IMAO has obtained a copy of the plan. This plan was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report, so it's hard to believe the Bush Administration never heard of it.

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Former President Bill Clinton, while getting angry at Chris Wallace for being a monkey, claimed that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for the Bush Administration. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice disputes this. Despite the denial, IMAO has obtained a copy of the plan. This plan was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report, so it's hard to believe the Bush Administration never heard of it.

As Jon Stewart said of Rice's words last night: It wasn't a plan...er...it was a set of strategies...with some action items. How can someone think that's a plan?
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