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Old 06-15-2004, 07:11 AM   #61
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Rather, view it from the perspective of helping a child. Would you rather see a child in a government daycare or out on the streets after school?
That depends on what the 'streets' is- if it's a downtown neighborhood full of crackheads and rapists, no. If if's a nice safe neighborhood where their friends have swing sets and their friend's mom is watching them, YES! My Mom worked part time when I was growing up, and I was left with one of two mothers of friends. My life went on as normal, we could watch TV, she made us snacks, we went outside to play. I was still free to invent my own ideas for games instead of getting them from someone's list. And who lets preschoolers run 'the streets' anyway?

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Would you rather see a child learn at least the basics in a government daycare or see the child play video games or watch TV all day because mom is too busy?
I don't know anyone too busy to teach their kids basics, and I don't see anything wrong with TV and videogames. I prefer the freedom of choosing such things to being forced into group activities so they never develop a mind of their own.


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Would you rather see the kids stuck with an aging grandparent or left alone so mom could work, or would you prefer to see them in a more supervised government daycare?

GRANDMOTHER, grandmother 100 times grandmother!!!! "Aging?" The grandparents of most small children are in their 50's, some even younger, which is a very youthful and vital age these days compared to the past. Even if they are older, that wise old lady can teach kids things about the family and the past that have been handed down through generations and teach the kids the way they did things, tell stories about Mom or Dad as kids, bring out old pictures, and teach them the alphabet. Sorry, I am not one who believes the government should replace the family, except in extreme cases of abuse or drug addicted parents. Even in the ghetto where a lot of mothers are crackheads and the fathers are gone or in jail, grandma is usually there to nurture, love, and bring the kid up with personal attention and love.

Personal attention and love are very important to me. NO CHILD should ever just be a name on a list or a number on a seat. They will be in school at age 5 anyway, no younger, please.

I don't have the direct quote or link right now, but the main comment by your Hillary that burned me so much was the one, again I don't have exactly how she put it- but the meaning was that parents were not fit, not qualified, and did not deserve to raise their own kids. That may be true in very extreme cases as I've said but to make it a rule for the entire country, fuck off bitch!

What I'm saying is that government day care can be there if needed, but never forced or even encouraged over private day care, home day care, or babysitters like friends and family. And our tax dollars should NEVER EVER EVER pay one red cent for the care of kids whose parents make plenty of money but choose to keep working anyway to buy cool stuff, only the truly needy and working poor should be covered. The ABC bill of the late 80's was the first to suggest government run day care and the funding of it. My older siblings who had young kids at the time fought hard, called congressmen, wrote letters to the editor with all the things I've said here. NOTHING replaces personal attention, caring, and love. I don't want to see kids being dumped in a 'day orphanage' run by Uncle Sam.

The more I read here, the more I am kind of wondering if some of you might be borderline Bolsheviks? I don't like socialism and more government control of our lives for any reason. I detest Hillary Clinton and everything she stands for with every breath of by body and every drop of blood in me. I also think it sucks she went to a state she didn't even live in to run for congress!

I only posted on this because I feel so strongly about kids, I still don't like posting here. I completely or mostly disagree with what at least 75% of you and most of what you say and I don't like fighthing. I can't change your minds and you'll never change mine.
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Most people aren't fit to raise kids? Their OWN kids?
I'm with Kitten on this. Unfortunately we live in a society where too many don't have a choice and require government care for their children. Just so the bills can be paid. Family care is preferable over any outsider unless they are the exceptions. And they remain only exceptions, like the crack addicts you've been exemplifying.
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Most people aren't fit to raise kids? Their OWN kids?
I'm with Kitten on this.
Thanks, I will have to find the quote somewhere. It was that bad.

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Unfortunately we live in a society where too many don't have a choice and require government care for their children. Just so the bills can be paid.
We already have that here, for the poorest, the ones forced to work because of welfare to work programs. It's set up and paid for with federal dollars, but it's not a program with any kind of agenda, and I don't want it to become one. These are mostly for single moms, and they can still choose to use the money to let someone else watch the kid. There were some with that ABC bill that demanded there would be no money for the poor unless they put them in the government center But it hasn't happened yet. Most of the Hillary type plans set up rules that virtually elimate all home care options, and would put most home day cares and private babysitters out of business.

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Family care is preferable over any outsider unless they are the exceptions. And they remain only exceptions, like the crack addicts you've been exemplifying.
I will always believe that
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The more I read here, the more I am kind of wondering if some of you might be borderline Bolsheviks?
Actually, I wonder how many in this thread who support large-scale national childcare actually have children of their own? It's usually easier to back a governmental solution to a situation that you don't personally have to deal with.

That being said, I would like to see some government involvement in childcare, though nothing on the scale that Hillary Clinton suggests. While I believe that children are almost always best cared for by a parent or relative, there should be a system in place for children that fall between the cracks, so to speak, particularly in the area of after-school care.
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