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Old 05-19-2008, 10:51 PM   #16
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I knew plenty of South Asian girls whose mothers took them to have their eyebrows, upper lips and arms waxed at that age. So maybe that's why this doesn't sound particularly strange to me.

I remember getting bikini waxes in high school, maybe when I was 16 or so and going to Florida or elsewhere on a beach vacation.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:53 PM   #17
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I'm sure it's just a tiny, tiny segment of society (the ultra-rich, ultra-trendy segment) that's doing this. But still, it's disturbing - not so much the pedicures and manicures - I had fun painting my own nails (not very succesfully) when I was that age. But why the hell does an 11-year-old need a bikini wax?
We 're not in an ultra trendy suburb but there is a HUGE market for it amongst my daughters friends and it staggers me - a) the expense, b) the time spent obsessing over the way they look c) the definite divide between those who do it and those who don't that is starting to appear - grrrr! I am all for the dress up phase as its a normal, very natural part of a young girls journey from adolescence to adulthood - I guess I just worry that getting caught up in all the hoo haa so early on leaves them nothing to look forward to and skews their self image.

As for 11 year olds needing to wax - my daughter does have friends who (unfortunately for them) got their periods when they were 9 and the subsequent body hair not so long after that.
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Re: Bikini Waxes For Tweens

"I feel it's part of hygiene. When it's appropriate and they need to, they'll be doing it," said Kelly Burrus, mother of 11-year-old Bella Burrus.

What the hell does waxing have to do with hygiene? As disturbed as I am with the way young girls seem to grow up so fast these days, I'm even more disturbed that there are women out there who think that unless you are waxed down there you're not practising good hygiene!!!! Bathing daily, more often if sweating a lot, etc - that's hygiene. There's nothing dirty about having pubic hair for god's sake...
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For gymnastics we did a lot of creative things with regard to pubic hair. I don't know if that counts though, since it wasn't really a "spa" treatment, but an I-have-to-wear-a-leotard-and-don't-want-THAT-showing sort of thing. We didn't think hair was dirty, quite the contrary. Be in a competitive sport that requires you to dance around in your undies long enough and there's no such thing as modesty.
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... an I-have-to-wear-a-leotard-and-don't-want-THAT-showing sort of thing.
See, I can understand girls that young removing hair for these sorts of reasons - living in Australia, swimming is big here and I'm sure I had to do something every summer when school swimming lessons came around - but hygiene!?!? I guess it just seems to me that more and more people are falling for the hype from beauty companies which seems to say 'body hair is unclean, unless you wash with this special scented lotion you too will smell 'down there', etc, etc', and most of the time the advertising is dressed up with pseudo-science so people actually begin to believe it. Take underarm hair for example - from personal experience, women seem to think that other women who don't shave/wax/otherwise remove their underarm hair are unclean somehow. Ditto with legs. Mind you, I shave both those areas, so maybe somehow I am contributing to the stereotype...
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Just parents with too much money showing off by lavishing excess onto their kids.

I wish I had too much money...
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An 11 year old child getting waxed? Creepy. I'm sorry..as a mom of three young daughters, I think it's sad to see today's kids act like they're minature adults. Whatever happened to enjoying childhood? At 11, 12, 13 years of age, I was still playing with my Barbies, and climbing trees.

One thing that really disturbs me... Every couple of years or so, I go to the tanning bed for a month or so to get some color for an upcoming vacation. I just finished up two months, and you wouldn't believe how many kids from 13 and up are going to the tanning beds now! Every other day, and some of these kids had tans that take a good 3 months or more to achieve. Melanoma? Cancer, anyone?!
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is this some sort of nation wide trend? or is this just a mildly sensationalistic story designed to get everyone upset about yet one more sign of the fall of western society?
the trend of over-sexualization of young girls has been well documented in recent years.
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the trend of over-sexualization of young girls has been well documented in recent years.


how is this sexual?

or is that in your head.

i used to shave my bikini/speedo line twice a year for the taper-and-shave championship swim meets.

wasn't sexual.
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and, as an aside, the sexualization of younger and younger girls has nothing to do with liberal or conservative or morality or whatever, and it has everything to do with cold, hard capitalism.

which is what this is about as well. spas create the perception of "need," which the mothers buy into, which their daughters see and want access to, and which in turn creates the perception of "need."

if you love money, if you love capitalism, if you love the free market ... stop complaining.
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how is this sexual?

or is that in your head.

i used to shave my bikini/speedo line twice a year for the taper-and-shave championship swim meets.

wasn't sexual.
oops. I read your previous post wrong.

no, I don't think there's anything innately sexual with a bikini wax.
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and, as an aside, the sexualization of younger and younger girls has nothing to do with liberal or conservative or morality or whatever, and it has everything to do with cold, hard capitalism.

which is what this is about as well. spas create the perception of "need," which the mothers buy into, which their daughters see and want access to, and which in turn creates the perception of "need."

if you love money, if you love capitalism, if you love the free market ... stop complaining.
a capitalist society may allow for a more excessive lifestyle, but the choice is still up to the individual. I choose to buy a product. I'm not a victim of materialism. I'm constantly barraged by marketing and images convincing me I "need" things but I still manage to live a fairly simple lifestyle.

I see the problem as parents not being able to say "no" to their kids.
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I see the problem as parents not being able to say "no" to their kids.


but my job, if i were in advertising or whatever, would be to compel you to say "yes" to your daughter, and i will use all the tools at my disposal to reduce your perception of actually having a voice in the matter. i will send messages that will tell your daughter -- who is far more likely to listen, being that she's so young -- that she is undesirable if she doesn't have my product.

if you can resist, more power to you, but most people can't, and don't.
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if you can resist, more power to you, but most people can't, and don't.
and that's the real issue. you blame the system for someone's inability to say "no". I say ownership of one's life allows us to transcend.

if I waste my day watching television, I don't blame capitalism for providing me with the television. I blame myself for not getting off my ass.
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There's nothing dirty about having pubic hair for god's sake...
Thank you!! Maybe it's just because I'm in my 40s, but I can remember when people weren't nearly as obssessed with getting rid of pubic hair. I always thought of it as just something you did if you were going swimming and didn't want any of it showing. It didn't have anything to do with being "unclean." (Then again, we had all those Summer's Eve commercials on TV when I was growing up, and having to douche for hygiene purposes is also a huge myth, so maybe we weren't so enlightened back then after all).
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