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Old 11-07-2005, 08:43 PM   #31
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WWII

and the War of Choice based on fraudulant evidence are indeed two different things.

Unless you are just someone who loves war and killing people.


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And your "someone who loves war and killing people" comment is no more credible than if I suggested that you loved Saddam's mass graves, wood chippers, plastic shredders, rapes, murders,... you get the idea.

so tell me what our involvement in WWII

and Iraq have in common?
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:59 PM   #32
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Hitler = Saddam
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Old 11-07-2005, 09:40 PM   #33
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No way. Pinochet maybe, Milosevic perhaps (though way better equipped than either, and really Baathism doesn't invite easy analogy to much of anything). Certainly not Hitler, and not Stalin. Saddam had no global social engineering agenda. And remember it was Pearl Harbor, not Auschwitz, that got the US into WWII.
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:21 PM   #34
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No way. Pinochet maybe, Milosevic perhaps (though way better equipped than either, and really Baathism doesn't invite easy analogy to much of anything). Certainly not Hitler, and not Stalin. Saddam had no global social engineering agenda. And remember it was Pearl Harbor, not Auschwitz, that got the US into WWII.
I do not disagree with you....

Just trying to help deep...hehe
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Absolutely correct.

And not only that but in Great Britain pre 1939 it was almost exclusively the leftwingers that were warning about Hitler. Many of the upper classes and right wingers had a sneaking regard for the Fascists.

As it happens Churchill was a Conservative, from the upper class, but to his credit he was alive to the dangers of fascism, unlike many from his class.
Exactly.
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Roosevelt was IN BED with Joseph Stalin, make no mistake.
Hitler was, too - until end of 1941. Everyone was in bed with Stalin at that time. Now how come Roosevelt didn´t like Hitler? They could have made a triumvirat, if Roosevelt was the kind of politician you portray him to be.
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Saddam didn't have anything to do with the isolated 9/11 incident. However, he offered $25,000 to the families of each suicide bomber that accepted his contribution to global terroris.

And if Bush "lied," so did all of these people.

That´s an impressive list. So can we conclude that the Dems were in for a war too? If the Dems would have been in power, would they have broken international law?
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If the Dems would have been in power, would they have broken international law?
If today's Democratic Party were in power, they'd be either telling us that ultra-pacifism would save us, or that there is no terrorist threat.
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so tell me what our involvement in WWII

and Iraq have in common?
WWII and War on Terror: The fact that many finally understood the global threat of fascism after both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 would be a start.
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there is currently a global threat of fascism?
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there is currently a global threat of fascism?
If you've heard of radical and active islamic militants who have attacked Brittain, Australia, France, USA, and Spain, then yes.
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i would characterize them as totalitarian theocrats. i think fascism might be a bit misleading.
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i would characterize them as totalitarian theocrats. i think fascism might be a bit misleading.
Hence the term "islamofascism." Al Qaida had planned more future attacks on the US in an attempt to annihilate all of us so-called infidels and establish an Islamic theocracy. I am grateful that we destroyed their training camps and that we've caught many terrorists that lived only to kill innocent people.
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Hitler was, too - until end of 1941. Everyone was in bed with Stalin at that time. Now how come Roosevelt didn´t like Hitler? They could have made a triumvirat, if Roosevelt was the kind of politician you portray him to be.
Looking back, I don't believe Roosevelt was downright evil. Reckless maybe, but not evil.
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Looking back, I don't believe Roosevelt was downright evil. Reckless maybe, but not evil.
I have no notion what you are getting at.

Roosevelt is widely considered to be one of the greatest ever US presidents.
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