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Old 09-16-2005, 06:29 AM   #16
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I'm confused.

Is this bad because of lack of regulation?
Or because it's from prisoners?
Or because it's from dead people in general?
I´d say, No. 3, and No. 2.
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Old 09-16-2005, 06:33 AM   #17
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I was just going to ask why nobody was upset about them harvesting it from dead babies either....
I am upset about that. I would like beauty products from (formerly) living beings, makes no difference whether its a foetus, a prisoner or whoever, its just bad that we take from other living beings to follow a beauty standard our estimated society has set up.
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Old 09-16-2005, 06:41 AM   #18
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Sadly, I bet we would see more outrage if the beauty products came from whales.
I´ll bet with you that Muslim women do less beauty operations than American housewives - because the Muslims don´t believe in "progress" that much. They would probably mark such a thing as evil.

Pretty disturbing how ill our society is, for a change.
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This is way too close to cannibalism for me
It has nothing to do with cannibalism, in my opinion. There is

>no symbolic meaning to it, no celebration;
>the prisoners are young and healthy, not old and weak, like it was the case in most cannibalistic traditions
>it happens without the consent of the prisoners, or foetuses
>collagen etc. are used to "enhance" beauty, its more about getting those substances and "recycle" the body, whereas cannibalism is not about beauty at all, but about the "everlasting life" of important community members, preserving their knowledge for the society they live in.
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Old 09-16-2005, 03:31 PM   #20
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Yeah, that's...really disturbing...uh...

*Adds this to her list of reasons as to why she barely ever wears makeup*

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Old 09-16-2005, 05:23 PM   #21
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omfg....Are you kidding me? This is so disturbing.

AGREED! I am checking the ingredients carefully the next time I purchase make-up, that is fo shizzle!!
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This is very disturbing. I'm glad I don't use make-up.

*edited because I can't spell today*
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I did?

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A good reason to go vegetarian/vegan in your skin care products!
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It has nothing to do with cannibalism, in my opinion. There is

>no symbolic meaning to it, no celebration;
>the prisoners are young and healthy, not old and weak, like it was the case in most cannibalistic traditions
>it happens without the consent of the prisoners, or foetuses
>collagen etc. are used to "enhance" beauty, its more about getting those substances and "recycle" the body, whereas cannibalism is not about beauty at all, but about the "everlasting life" of important community members, preserving their knowledge for the society they live in.
I can dig what you're saying, but one thing I really don't understand:

"it happens without the consent of the prisoners, or foetuses"


and .... it would be different if it was with the consent of someone?
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this reminds of me of something bono said during the launch of the edun clothing line--you don't want to be wearing despair (or something along those lines).

level of irony in using executed prisoners' bodies as an ingredient in beauty products is staggering. there's nothing beautiful about the death penalty, nothing beautiful about the Chinese government's justice system, nothing beautiful about exploiting people's bodies for profit after their untimely and unjust deaths.

wearing despair, indeed.
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I did?

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Heh, well, that wasn't my intention, but hey, glad I brought ya humor .

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I can dig what you're saying, but one thing I really don't understand:

"it happens without the consent of the prisoners, or foetuses"


and .... it would be different if it was with the consent of someone?
I pointed out the differences to cannibalism. There, it happens with the consent of those who get eaten. But that´s just what I heard, most details about those procedures are just oral tradition, and only if you study those phenomena a lot you have a chance to know the real background, not the obvious cliché one.

when I think of that African story well, but this is for another time, maybe
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Hey Carmela...

I doubt it the label is going to say, "Made from dead babies or Executed prisoners " on it.

More likely (and more to the point), if it says, 'Made in China" just assume the worst and boycott it. Most of your clothes, toys etyc are made in China, Hong Kong or Taiwan so you don't have a choice, but I'll bet if you did some research, you could find which companies use non-Chinese ingredients.

Amazing what Western governments will do to appease China. Without business ties to the all-important expanding Chinese market juaggurnaut, they tell us, the world economy would be a shambles. And yet, 10 yrs ago, China was still crawling upward...when they got Most Favored Nation trading stutus and more importantly, WTO status, that's when they took off. And now these govts complain aobut China's growing power, when they looked the other way while China did whatever they wanted in pursuit of growth. Want to know why we're doing nothing about genoicde in Darfur? China moved inot Sudan 8 yrs ago and establihsed business ties with the oil industry. China gets 7% of its oil from the genocidal Sudanese regime. I'll bet that even George W Bush would turn his head if a Chinese miltary product that the US (read: he) badly wanted was made from "human" products (not likely, but let's just say as a theory). He'd ignore even the protests of the Right. What the US needs is more important than dead babies--in THIS case.
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