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Old 02-23-2002, 03:48 AM   #16
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wow. I didn't know sex was a basic human right. I think I'm gonna sue someone. My rights aren't being fulfilled to my satisfaction.
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Old 02-23-2002, 11:08 AM   #17
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I have always found it interesting how it is acceptable for religion to 'stick its nose' in anything and everything, but it's unacceptable for the government to do this, to restrict ones 'freedoms'
Where does that come from, and what does that have to do with this topic? Name one instance in which I have advocated religion "sticking its nose" where it doesn't belong. I would also be interested in what you consider religion "sticking it nose" where it doesn't belong.

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Well, isn't religion sticking its nose into medical practice in this instance? That doctor is imposing his religious views on the masses regardless of whether or not his decision is right for the women who come to him. I'd be interested to know what kind of interview he gave for his med school admission. If he expressed extreme fundamentalist views, he would have been removed from the application process, believe me.
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Well, isn't religion sticking its nose into medical practice in this instance?
Because government is a large body of people controlling the operation of society, I think it's only fair to view religion in the same unified way. It would be one thing if the church collectively pushed its belief on a doctor's practice. In this case it's one fundamental believer and not the voice of the whole, so I wouldn't make the statement that religion is sticking its nose in anything--if a politician were to push his own beliefs on society without the collective opinion of the whole, then he'd probably be labelled as "corrupt" or something of the sort. In this case, the doctor would be labelled as "extreme" I suppose.

Unless a church district gets involved then there's not much of a concensus when it comes to religion, so he must be seen as the exception.

Thinking about it though, church and state are separate--so in this case where doctors are the components of a hospital which are part of the state institution, the government would hold ruling. It is the government's territory. As sad as it may sound, it's as though the church and state each has a bouncer who can decide what is allowed in. (unless there's some heirarchy detail that I have overlooked)

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Old 02-23-2002, 01:45 PM   #20
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It should also be noted that the Pill is not *only* used for contraception. It can be used to treat acne, endometriosis, irregular menstrual periods and other women's health problems. So, how does this "doctor" treat women with problems such as these?

Also: what would this "doctor" do if a woman came to him as, say, an abused wife who was pressured into sex by her husband, who already has a whole passel of kids, and doesn't want to get pregnant anymore? What if a woman is raped and she wants a morning-after pill?

If he wants to preach to people about their sexual conduct, he should become a pastor. Or if he doesn't want to deal with these kinds of things, he should become an optometrist or something.

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Well, isn't religion sticking its nose into medical practice in this instance? That doctor is imposing his religious views on the masses regardless of whether or not his decision is right for the women who come to him. I'd be interested to know what kind of interview he gave for his med school admission. If he expressed extreme fundamentalist views, he would have been removed from the application process, believe me.
Nope, this is not religion "sticking its nose" into medical practice. This doctor is simply exercising his right as a doctor to provide services he deems ethical. He obviously believes it is not right for single women to be sexually active. He therefore will not help them do it.
And do you really considering his views on sex as "extreme fundamentalist" views?

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Old 02-23-2002, 11:18 PM   #22
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I know this from experience.
me too. i went on the pill when i was 15 for said reasons, and guess what...3.5 years later i'm *still* a virgin. just cuz you're on the pill doesn't mean you're using it as a form of birth control, or that you want to.
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And do you really considering his views on sex as "extreme fundamentalist" views?

To be honest with you, no I don't. But I question what else this man opposes.
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It should also be noted that the Pill is not *only* used for contraception. It can be used to treat acne, endometriosis, irregular menstrual periods and other women's health problems. So, how does this "doctor" treat women with problems such as these?
I was just going to bring this up. There are numerous instances where the pill must be used as a hormonal regulator. I know this from experience. So, how will this doctor determine whether or not a woman who really *must* be on the pill for health reasons isn't also sexually active at the same time? The pill has numerous beneficial effects other than preventing pregnancy, and I want to know exactly how this doctor is able to predict what the primary effect of the pill each woman is attempting to benefit from.
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About MAP's comments, I don't really see a Christian Scientist being a doctor because as far as I know they don't really believe in medical treatment at all. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I have never been quite sure if that's quite true or not.)

As far as what a Jehovah's Witness doctor would do regarding blood transfusions, I'm a JW and I am sure that a doctor in my faith would not be involved with the providing of a blood transfusion, but also would not stand in the way of someone getting one. We also believe abortion is wrong but don't (for instance) picket clinics. Forcing your beliefs like that is not right.

But perhaps if you feel that something that comes up regularly in your profession might compromise your beliefs, you shouldn't be in that profession.

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But it's not treatment. We're not talking about a medical treatment. If he was denying his patients medical treatment, that would be one thing. But we're talking about birth control here. It is NOT a medical necessity. It is quite possible to live without sex.

As others have pointed out, birth control pills are not prescribed exclusively to prevent pregnancy. At the age of 19, I went on the pill to decrease the flow of my menstrual periods and lessen the severity of menstrual cramps which often kept me in bed when I should have been in class or at work.
Too much personal information, but I do believe that people need to know that women don't just take the pill for contraception. It has made several positive impacts on my health, and for that, I'm grateful that I have access to it.


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It has made several positive impacts on my health
me too. i went on the pill for all the reasons you mentioned as well, and i also noticed my skin cleared up, since i went on ortho-tricyclen. it really did do wonders.
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It is quite possible to live without sex.

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