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Old 03-24-2005, 06:52 PM   #31
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I have always despised the "chick" magazines, be they for young chicks or older ones. I have always found them to be filled with worthless dreck. Actually, I think it's pitiful that little girls would even want to read them. I just had so much else to do that impressing other people never really crossed my mind. Plus I've never really been much of a slave to fashion (or really even interested) or popularity or any of that stuff.

Doesn't mean I'm not screwed up, but at least I don't stress over my frickin' eyebrows (as long as I don't have a unibrow, I'm happy ).
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OK, first off, I think we need MORE 12 year old little girls starting rock bands. Kick open the door of the male dominated music business.

Anyway... I'm agreeing with a lot of the points made in this thread. MrsSpringsteen, I agree that it's vital to have a good male role model for support and such in a young girl's life. I didn't really get that from my Dad, and I really feel that has played a big part in my self-esteem now. To this day I don't get much encouragement from my Dad, and it really, really hurts.

I also agree with bg in saying it is all in how you raise them. I know a lot of mothers who think if they pretty up their daughters life will be handed to them on a silver platter, but the problem is, these girls will never know how to think for themselves, lust after $300 shoes (not that there's anything wrong with being girly - I've been known to be that more often than not) and whose goal in life it will be to marry a rich guy.

These magazines really teach girls (and women) all the wrong things. I just canceled my subscription to Lucky magazine, because I found myself getting depressed each month when it arrived, over how expensive the clothes were and how thin the models were. It's sad that even now at 26 I'm finding myself getting worn down by all these sterotypes and worrying how I can fit into them, when I really should be focusing my energies on more important things.


PS - Sassy RULED.

PPS - I am a very girly girl, but I have a brain (OK, sometimes I have a brain. ). While there's plenty wrong with the images presented by women/teen mags, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be a girl's girl, as long as you've got your priorities straight.
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I just had so much else to do that impressing other people never really crossed my mind. Plus I've never really been much of a slave to fashion (or really even interested) or popularity or any of that stuff.
I always skipped over the fashion portion of the magazines when I read them. Still do if I ever read a magazine, be it Teen or People or whatever else. That was never the part that interested me. I always read the "true life" stories and the letters (that's the big reason I read a lot of magazines, to be honest-the letters) and the embarrassing moments bits and stuff like that.

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Old 03-24-2005, 07:52 PM   #34
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I had a subscription to Seventeen for a while when I was in high school back in the '80s. My parents got it for me for a present. I swear, I only read it for the Billy Idol and Madonna articles!

I don't think mags like that can do much harm as long as you see it as merely light reading/entertainment, not a guide for how to live your life. Unfortunately, some girls don't get much guidance from anywhere else as to how to live their life, and that's what causes problems.
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but can you really draw a comparison to the damage done between perfection-pressure from a magazine in these highly specific catagories when "seventeen" is literally telling girls how to be girls in an all-encompasing manner?
I guess what I was trying to say is that most of these magazines tap into that whole "I'm not good enough" crap, that we all have in some form or another.

Like everyone has said before, the importance of positive role models can not be underestimated.
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We'll always be to blame for this because society will always value women (and men) for their beauty. It starts in grade school (or before) when study after study shows the attractive children are responded to much more than the less attractive children. To many people, beauty equals character. I posted a thread recently regarding Diana and Camilla, just to see what kind of reaction I got regarding a beautiful person versus a non beautiful person and I got about the reaction I expected. Many people blamed Camilla for breaking up the marriage, while giving Diana a pass for breaking up several other marriages, relationships. She was the beautiful princess. Camilla was the ugly villainess. (Not for all) So for all the high talk we do....Kids aren't dumb. They see the score. Beautiful people get privileges the rest don't. It is not right, but it is reality.
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We'll always be to blame for this because society will always value women (and men) for their beauty. It starts in grade school (or before) when study after study shows the attractive children are responded to much more than the less attractive children. To many people, beauty equals character. I posted a thread recently regarding Diana and Camilla, just to see what kind of reaction I got regarding a beautiful person versus a non beautiful person and I got about the reaction I expected. Many people blamed Camilla for breaking up the marriage, while giving Diana a pass for breaking up several other marriages, relationships. She was the beautiful princess. Camilla was the ugly villainess. (Not for all) So for all the high talk we do....Kids aren't dumb. They see the score. Beautiful people get privileges the rest don't. It is not right, but it is reality.

*steering offtopic* Although what I'm about to say has nothing to do with the issue really: Diana was a wonderful person who helped a lot of people, there's no denying that, BUT as far as I'm concerned, she wasn't particularly beautiful physically. She did have lovely big eyes, wore some lovely clothes, and had a fantastic figure when she wasn't starving herself... but she had a horsey face. That said, compared to the rest of the Royals, she was a dashing beauty. As for Camilla, she many be many things, but she's certainly not ugly in my opinion.

I like to think that Diana's beauty came from the sort of person she was (meaning the kind, warm, thoughtful, and loving aspects of her personality). As you point out, it shouldn't matter at all.

All the supposed 'public outpouring of grief' when Diana died struck me as being very, very false... where was all the love, concern and hysteria for her wellbeing before she died? Yes, it was tragic a young woman died. It was even more tragic that 2 boys lost their mother. I wouldn't argue with that at all, and I know that a lot of people were genuinely upset, but most of the public howling seemed completely fake and over the top to me. People here don't bother marking the anniversary much any more - real grief doesn't dissipate that fast. But that's another completely different can of worms.

I'll probably get shot for that by a load of people pretending they go to bed crying their hearts out every night over poor Diana now.

To those who just think I'm just being nasty or cynical - where were your bleeding hearts and sobs of despair when Mother Teresa died? I don't hear you going into hysterics over the starving African kids either.

Anyway - back to the point.
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This is stating the obvious:
http://www.in.gov/icw/articles/article_8.html


This was interesting if hypocritical. It's a bit like Playboy bint Jenny McCarthy being voted World's Sexiest Woman by various mens magazines. She made a fortune from getting her enormous fake knockers out, and afterwards said she wished she'd never done it in the first place and that other girls shouldn't do what she did. Very easy to say after you've "earned" a few million. Moron.
http://www.media-awareness.ca/englis.../model_kid.cfm


Teen Vogue: 'finding yourself and what makes you feel happy and healthy is always in fashion'.

15 pages later: ads for breast enhancement tablets. For $229.95, you too can grow bigger boobs, 'feel more beautiful and sexier than ever' and have 'more self esteem, more confidence.'
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Old 03-26-2005, 12:06 PM   #39
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in TEEN vogue you saw an ad for breast enhancement?

which issue, please. i'd like to look that up for myself.
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in TEEN vogue you saw an ad for breast enhancement?

which issue, please. i'd like to look that up for myself.
Sure, go ahead: it was the Autumn (sorry, fall) edition, 2001.

And while you're there, see if you can get hold of Seventeen's September issue: it "has a one- quarter page ad for Bloussant tablets on Page 331. It is at least the third ad for for the product the last two years, said Jennifer Maguire, the Seventeen spokeswoman."

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you girls are making such a big deal out of this. we should actually include breast implants in health insurance, and social security programs, because it is a useful enhancement. so what, girls will look great and guys will make the money, then they'll go home and have a bunch of children. granted, neither of them may have much personality, or they might not be nice, but who cares?

that is what american psycho has taught us all, and god knows its a valuable lesson. yes.
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you girls are making such a big deal out of this. we should actually include breast implants health insurance, and social security programs, because it is a useful enhancement. so what, girls will look great and guys will make the money, then they'll go home and have a bunch of children. granted, neither of them may have much personality, or they might not be nice, but who cares?

that is what american psycho has taught us all, and god knows its a valuable lesson. yes.
Just one little request...
Try that one again, and this time use English so that I have a snowflake's chance in hell of being able to decipher it.
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i thought it was rather easy to understand? whats there to 'decipher'?
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I was wondering, could you possibly word that post so that it makes sense?
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you girls are making such a big deal out of this. women are obsessed with themselves, so what?? it has always been this way! women always bought all kinds of things for make-up or whatever.

feeling good about oneself is a NEED. some people satisfy this by doing charity work, some people go become rock stars, and some people get breast implants. actually, breast implants should be included in social security programs, and the expenses should be covered by health insurance, just like it is done for a bypass.

what is wrong with girls wanting to stunning? after all, that is all guys are after. after all, as girls are under pressure for being beautiful, guys are under pressure for being successful and making heaps of money. granted, they might not be real people in your eyes, but in the end, who cares? men will work their asses off to be more successful, lose their hair, love or marriage because of it. women will get breast implants so they'll still feel like they are good looking and feel strong because of this. if you dont like it, dont do it. everything has its downside, it is eventually a balance between the risks-benefits.

the point is, you say the society puts pressure on these girls to look good, and its not fair. hell no, its not fair. but in the end its some kind of sick game we're playing, and if you cant handle it, you dont play.

you may argue that our societies might come to such a point that personality doesnt matter anymore... but oh wait, i think we were at that point 2 decades ago.

so yes, some girls want to look good, and they will go any distance to do this. no its not fair, no its not good, but thats the way they want it. you cant solve that problem, so deal with it.

"This was interesting if hypocritical. It's a bit like Playboy bint Jenny McCarthy being voted World's Sexiest Woman by various mens magazines. She made a fortune from getting her enormous fake knockers out, and afterwards said she wished she'd never done it in the first place and that other girls shouldn't do what she did. Very easy to say after you've "earned" a few million. Moron."

also, would you rather have her say 'oh breast implants are awesome, everyone should get one, even 8 year old girls!'? if there is a demand, there is supply. just hating people because they are trying to look good is totally unacceptable in my book.
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