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Old 01-06-2005, 09:57 PM   #121
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Well come on. DNA doesn't make a baby, I have DNA in my hair.

Look at it this way. An 8 week old fetus when taken out of the womb will not develop into a child. It's a clump of cells. It takes more than a sperm hitting an egg to make a baby.
What a tiny concept. It's all about picking and choosing. As long as there's a doctor around, it seems you approve of anything.
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What a tiny concept. None of you have replied to my post about picking and choosing. As long as there's a doctor around, it seems you approve of anything.
doctors don't hit women with baseball bats.
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And you are picking and choosing about the woman's life. Wouldn't you rather see a woman taken care of by a doctor rather than a bat? That is something you aren't answering!
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So it's the weapon used that brings you to this conclusion, although the female was willing to go through with it. Liberal mindset has it that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body. That mindset can defend prostitution as well, but primarily, it can also defend this young woman's choice to have her boyfriend beat her with a bat. Nice mindset, it's real clever.
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And you are picking and choosing about the woman's life. Wouldn't you rather see a woman taken care of by a doctor rather than a bat? That is something you aren't answering!
I don't support either form of taking an innocent life. Now if the woman was a cancer patient, yes I would rather have a doctor take care of her.
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So it's the weapon used that brings you to this conclusion, although the female was willing to go through with it. Liberal mindset has it that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body. That mindset can defend prostitution as well, but primarily, it can also defend this young woman's choice to have her boyfriend beat her with a bat. Nice mindset, it's real clever.
if you're asking about prostitution, yes it should be legal, and regulated -- keeps everybody safer. works well in the Netherlands.

yes, women can do whatever they want with their bodies. and they have to live with the consequences, whether that's having a lifetime of fantastic sex with many anonymous partners, getting an STD the first time you have sex, having an abortion and living life filled with regret, or having an abortion and knowing she did the right thing for herself.
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if you're asking about prostitution, yes it should be legal, and regulated -- keeps everybody safer. works well in the Netherlands.

yes, women can do whatever they want with their bodies. and they have to live with the consequences, whether that's having a lifetime of fantastic sex with many anonymous partners, getting an STD the first time you have sex, having an abortion and living life filled with regret, or having an abortion and knowing she did the right thing for herself.
How about a "woman's right to allow her boyfriend to beat the piss out of her with a baseball bat?" Would you like to defend that? I hope this couple gets some serious counseling. I wonder how they could dream up anything more awful.
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What's done is done, nothing can change that.

I think more importantly in this case, the issues that need to be addressed are the ones that would drive a young man and a young woman to take such drastic and barbaric measures into their own hands.

Think about it.
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So it's the weapon used that brings you to this conclusion, although the female was willing to go through with it. Liberal mindset has it that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body. That mindset can defend prostitution as well, but primarily, it can also defend this young woman's choice to have her boyfriend beat her with a bat. Nice mindset, it's real clever.
I like how you haven't answered the issue of sex-ed. If you aren't going to educate the public as to what true responsibility sex is then your starch stance on abortion is useless.

Do you realize that there are teens that still think they can tell if someone is "clean" by looking at them, that they won't get pregnant certain times of the month, that the "pull out" method is safe, and then there are teens that have had absolutely no sex ed whatsoever. Conservatives are so damn scared to talk about sex with their children for fear of promoting sex that it's led to generations of kids teaching themselves. There is such a movement of abstinence only or nothing at all that many kids are slipping through the cracks.

What's clever is you can't see beyond your small frame of life. You've never been a girl at the age of 15 and pregnant, in fact you never will know what that feels like.
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I like how you haven't answered the issue of sex-ed. If you aren't going to educate the public as to what true responsibility sex is then your starch stance on abortion is useless.

Do you realize that there are teens that still think they can tell if someone is "clean" by looking at them, that they won't get pregnant certain times of the month, that the "pull out" method is safe, and then there are teens that have had absolutely no sex ed whatsoever. Conservatives are so damn scared to talk about sex with their children for fear of promoting sex that it's led to generations of kids teaching themselves. There is such a movement of abstinence only or nothing at all that many kids are slipping through the cracks.

What's clever is you can't see beyond your small frame of life. You've never been a girl at the age of 15 and pregnant, in fact you never will know what that feels like.
Before you posted on these forums, I talked quite a bit about sex-ed. I think both abstinence and protection should be taught. I'm assuming you weren't a 15 year old pregnant female before either, so what's the point? May I assume you don't know what it's like to be a convicted murderer either? My concern is not about "being scared", it's about a widely accepted form of flushing an innocent life down the toilet. I don't think we're teaching enough sex ed. I think it should be as important as math.

What gets me is the people who basically play with fire and expect not to get burned. People are simply refusing to take responsibility for their actions. The mentality is this simple: I don't want my baby, so I'm going to kill it.
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Who said that?
I was asking. I know you don't have a blase attitude toward legal abortion, but at least it's done in a safe environment which doesn't envoke this same reaction as this case does.
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I don't see why any of us are so shocked by this case. If you think it's so awful you should either accept safe, legal abortion or make sure that women/girls don't get pregnant in the first place (that means be willing to promote and pay for contraceptives, even if you don't personally care for them). If you don't want to allow abortions, you need to be willing to come up with a VIABLE alternative (and having the baby is not always viable), instead of just being horrified. Making abortion illegal (or even mostly illegal) will make this type of case much more common. So don't be so shocked.

How about this for an idea to eliminate most (but not all) abortions -- all people (male and female) should be on birth control until they document that they are willing and able to have and support any children they may create.
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I think Indra has a valid point about why alternatives should be presented. Of course we can't forget about adoption. It was legal last time I checked.
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Old 01-07-2005, 12:04 AM   #134
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I think Indra has a valid point about why alternatives should be presented. Of course we can't forget about adoption. It was legal last time I checked.
But one must bear the baby first. Sometimes, for various reasons, that isn't viable.

And you know it irks me when people talk about not being able to get an adoptable baby because there are so many abortions (yes, I know I'm going off on a tangent here). Makes the pregnant woman sound like a cow or something. I sure wouldn't want to be someone's cow...just a means for someone else to have a child. And yet that's how it often sounds when some people promote adoption (not all, but enough to make it seem not much better than the human equivalent of a puppy mill). If I'm pregnant, and didn't want to be in the first place, the last thing I'm going to want to feel like is some production machine.
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I agree with indra

it might be difficult to detach emotions on a topic like abortions
but usually when someone has a problem you try to figure out:
A. what the exact problem is
B. what the situation of that person is

I can present my moral and ethics to someone time & time again
but in the end they're probably better of with a solution that works for them instead of something that works for me
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