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Old 01-06-2005, 06:33 PM   #76
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One's legal and one isn't. That is the point here.
That's so hypocritical it makes me sick. How do you care how it died if you don't care if it dies as long as it's somebody's 'choice?' Wasn't this a 'choice' too?
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Both sides are based on emotion. If it was science and fact it wouldn't be as controversial.
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One's legal and one isn't. That is the point here.
So what if this guy had the proper medical equipment to perform the procedure. Then what would he be charged with? Practicing medicine without a license?
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You mean it's less emotional when it's done in a stark and sterile clinical environment?
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She should not be able to walk away from this and have this boy take all the blame. That is not just.
Exactly. Just another sick twist of the 'choice' bullshit.

Also on this subject, if the father of the baby has no say when a child is aborted, why is not okay for him to be a part of it? This boy did nothing more wrong than if he had driven her to the abortion clinic.
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Both sides are based on emotion. If it was science and fact it wouldn't be as controversial.
The reason it is law is because according to "scientific fact" life does not begin at conception.
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that was to bvs's post..
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Exactly. Just another sick twist of the 'choice' bullshit.

Also on this subject, if the father of the baby has no say when a child is aborted, why is not okay for him to be a part of it? This boy did nothing more wrong than if he had driven her to the abortion clinic.
You are very right in that. People can not say "but he assualted her". If that were the case, he would be charged with that.
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That's so hypocritical it makes me sick. How do you care how it died if you don't care if it dies as long as it's somebody's 'choice?' Wasn't this a 'choice' too?

law and society do not hold a fetus as equal to a person. you can argue about that, you can say that's wrong, and maybe you're right, but until you can convince society and the law otherwise, the abortion of a fetus is not the same as the death (or suicide) of a person.

in the meantime, why don't we improve the lives of women across the world so that all pregnancies are wanted pregnancies? that will never happen, but we can do better, can't we?

what drives me nuts about some in the anti-choice (and i know you don't agree with those terms, but i think they are apt) is that they are more concerned with what goes on in a woman's womb rather than the world she grows up in.
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The reason it is law is because according to "scientific fact" life does not begin at conception.

erm, "scientific fact"? are you a scientist?
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So what if this guy had the proper medical equipment to perform the procedure. Then what would he be charged with? Practicing medicine without a license?

he'd also have to be trained to do it which would then make him a doctor -- the person who is licensed to practice a medical procedure. if i sell my friend morphine it's illegal, but if a doctor administers me morphine -- because he is a *trained professional* -- it is legal.
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That's so hypocritical it makes me sick. How do you care how it died if you don't care if it dies as long as it's somebody's 'choice?' Wasn't this a 'choice' too?
Oh joy once again the obligatory holier than thou speech. Look you have no f**king right to sit there and tell me I don't care how it happens as long as it's "choice". Look back at my post and tell me where exactly I've been on the side of the boy with the bat. Just show me.

What is hypocritical about seeing the difference where the procedure is done under a sterile environment with the hands of professionals and that where a woman could have been damaged for life? We both know exactly where we stand on this issue, but don't tell me that I don't care and call me hypocrite.
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So what if this guy had the proper medical equipment to perform the procedure. Then what would he be charged with? Practicing medicine without a license?
It still wouldn't be legal if he wasn't a doctor. What's your point?
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You mean it's less emotional when it's done in a stark and sterile clinical environment?
Who said that?
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erm, "scientific fact"? are you a scientist?
Ok Mr. Condescending. You don't have to be a scientist to know that is what science states. Does it not state that? Then what are the laws based on? Or do I need to be a lawyer to know those kind of things?
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