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Old 01-07-2005, 04:25 PM   #181
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Look, things were starting to go well...

Can we please admit that decent, reasonable, ethical people can disagree on this issue, and that likely neither side will have the final word?

(That's right, neither side will have the final word--because at the rate this thread has started to go again, I, or another mod, will have the final word before putting the ol' lock to it.)

Here are some suggestions:

--Acknowledge that the mere fact that someone is personally strongly opposed to abortion does not make him or her a bigoted, reactionary asshole; OR
--Acknowledge that the mere fact that someone feels personally that abortion should remain legal and in the hands of medical professionals does not make him or her a baby-killing, bloodthirsty nihilist; AND
--Leave your sarcasm, your petty put-downs, your condescensions, and your TEMPER at the door.

I mean it. I'm tired of this happening over and over again with this subject. My weekend starts tonight and I'd have no problem putting this to bed so I don't have to worry about it for the next two days.

Neither I nor any other mod will let people act like children in here.

That is all.
I agree with your points, but I've read every single word of this thread (a couple of times), and see absolutely no reason to lock it based on any of the posts. If you want to turn off your pc and go out and have a great time for the weekend, do it! I'm sure that even if things get heated here, we'll all still be here monday morning, alive and well. This thread hasgottem a bit heated, sure, but it has also calmed down. No reason to believe that won't continue to happen. And if it does get completely out of hand...well, come monday, you can give us all an "enforced vacation." And then you won't have to worry about us at all. And wouldn't that be better?
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:31 PM   #182
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LOL, it sure would be.

But the fact is that I do have a "job" to do here, and no, it's not a paying job, and yes, I could walk away from it whenever I wanted. (And, yes, I've considered it. ) But I do take pride in this--weird, maybe, but I do--and I've been modding this forum for over two years now. I see no reason to give up on what is the collective goal here, which is to provide people with a place to discuss controversial issues in a rational, moderated environment.

If people want to have an all-out battle, they're welcome to go elsewhere. But I mentioned this earlier: Interference is about building a community, not a place where people can rip on each other to their respective hearts' contents. That's why we have moderators and FAQs and what have you. There's not much community-building going on when people are being as condescending and angry as I have seen in this thread.

I understand what you mean, indra, and surely we're dealing with grown-ups here and I shouldn't have to say any of this stuff. But moderators here are kind of like RAs in a college dorm: Yes, it's our job to make sure people have fun and follow the rules (more or less), and sometimes it sucks to have to enforce those rules...but if we didn't, people would be having their toothbrushes stolen and there'd be loud parties until 4 a.m. and Playboy calendars on the door to the girls' rooms.

Know what I mean?
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:34 PM   #183
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The reason I am pointing you and dread out is because I was accused on another thread by both you and him of being condescending.
I have NEVER posted in this thread. I have avoided it like the plague. I just read it now for the first time.

If you have an issue with me have the respect to email me dreadsox@aol.com or PM me. It's a cheap shot to bring someones name into a thread that does not involve them. Generally I feel I am pretty fair about calling people on things when they are being unfair to another poster. In this case....I no longer give a rats ass.

As for this thread, I am opposed 100% to abortion. I find it repulsive. I am also 100% opposed to seeing teenage girls in back alleyways getting their lives fucked up even more.

So where does that leave me.....

Showing compassion....and praying that I might be able to help someone through whatever they are going through.....no matter what their decision is.
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:36 PM   #184
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How can anyone deny that there is a vast difference between a woman making a conscious decision to have an abortion - a medical procedure carried out by trained healthcare professionals in a safe environment - and a frightened young woman allowing someone to beat her with a baseball bat in order to cause a miscarriage?
Well put Fizz.
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:36 PM   #185
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As for this thread, I am opposed 100% to abortion. I find it repulsive. I am also 100% opposed to seeing teenage girls in back alleyways getting their lives fucked up even more.

So where does that leave me.....

Showing compassion....and praying that I might be able to help someone through whatever they are going through.....no matter what their decision is.


I think Dread has just given us the most sensible statement I've read in this entire thread.
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Amen.
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As for this thread, I am opposed 100% to abortion. I find it repulsive. I am also 100% opposed to seeing teenage girls in back alleyways getting their lives fucked up even more.

So where does that leave me.....

Showing compassion....and praying that I might be able to help someone through whatever they are going through.....no matter what their decision is.

That is the most sensible post I've read in this thread so far.
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:43 PM   #188
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[Q]Why don't you guys let everyone have the debate they want, if people didn't want it they'd not bother responding.[/Q]

Angie, you know I love you and all...but....shit girl.......you know better than to taunt the mods......

now play nice my little outback special
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:47 PM   #189
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sheesh. now I know why I stay in PLEBA
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:50 PM   #190
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I appreciate the comments....

I think Fizz's point needs revisiting......

The whole premise of the thread is not right.....
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But moderators here are kind of like RAs in a college dorm: Yes, it's our job to make sure people have fun and follow the rules (more or less), and sometimes it sucks to have to enforce those rules...but if we didn't, people would be having their toothbrushes stolen and there'd be loud parties until 4 a.m. and Playboy calendars on the door to the girls' rooms.

Know what I mean?
I do. I really do. But maybe I'm so old I no longer care if my toothbrush gets stolen, can sleep right through the loud parties until 4 am (I can sleep through anything -- honestly I can, and have, slept at clubs with live, very loud bands playing -- it's a gift ), and Playboy calendars...eh, I'd just paste a Playgirl calendar right over it.

But I'm not really bitching, just posting cause it's fun.
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Well, and good on ya for being so cool.

Unfortunately, not everyone is.
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I don't buy it. I don't have time to look for the numbers but 1 out of 3? Please. Out of all the women I've know in my life either very personally or have worked with through my days of working with youth, I've known 2 women who have had abortions. I couldn't count how many have had children. And I didn't grow up in an affluent neighborhood. I question the numbers but who knows I'll get back to you on this.
I didn't want to believe it either, and I looked up another site that seemed non-partisan. Here we go: http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.

88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy.

60% of abortions are performed on women who already have one or more children.

47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.

43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45 years old.


Abortions from 1973-1996 (US only)

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900
1988 - 1,590,800
1987 - 1,559,100
1986 - 1,574,000
1985 - 1,588,600
1984 - 1,577,200
1983 - 1,575,000
1982 - 1,573,900
1981 - 1,577,300
1980 - 1,553,900
1979 - 1,497,700
1978 - 1,409,600
1977 - 1,316,700
1976 - 1,179,300
1975 - 1,034,200
1974 - 898,600
1973 - 774,600

Abortion Statistics - Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice

According to a USA Today, CNN Gallup Poll in May, 1999 - 16% of Americans believe abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy and 55% of American believe abortion should be legal only to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest.

According to a Gallup Poll in January, 2001 - People who considered themselves to be pro-life rose from 33% to 43% in the past 5 years, and people who considered themselves to be pro-choice declined from 56% to 48%.

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You must either not buy it because:
a) it makes your stance look crooked
b) you haven't allowed yourself to be educated on it
c) some other reason

Either way you stand on the issue, it is recognized as a major political issue, and will probably stay that way for a long time.
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Old 01-07-2005, 05:23 PM   #194
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[Q]Why don't you guys let everyone have the debate they want, if people didn't want it they'd not bother responding.[/Q]

Angie, you know I love you and all...but....shit girl.......you know better than to taunt the mods......

now play nice my little outback special
Aww crap! I wrote to Pax to keep this off the thread before reading the rest and it became something to talk about anyway!
I'm not taunting the mods.
I only taunt my favourite feisty republicans
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Old 01-07-2005, 05:53 PM   #195
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Can you imagine the strain on already failing child protective service systems if all aborted fetuses were born to mothers who didn't want them? If for whatever reason, the mother does not want the child, do you really think they (the mothers) are suddenly going to get the "maternal instinct" simply because there is a live birth.

And there is no way in hell there are enough adoptive homes for all of them. Just something to ponder.
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