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Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia

Chris Wattie
National Post


Friday, May 19, 2006

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.

It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.

The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

"We are not here to answer such questions."

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.
 
I read about this and posted it under one of the Iran threads. This is so wrong. I guess Mr. Ahmadinejad has been reading a little to much of Mein Kempf and must admire Hitler. If he does not believe in the Holocaust then why is he using the same tactics as the Nazis?
 
I believe this story has been debunked.

Considering it originated in Canada's National Compost newspaper, I am not surprised.
 
I hope this \/ has been debunked, too.

Israeli soldiers accused of raping 11-year-old

· Allegation erodes public respect for armed forces
· 17 military personnel and five civilians questioned

Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv and Agencies in Jerusalem
Tuesday May 2, 2006
The Guardian

At least 17 soldiers and five civilians are under investigation for the rape of an 11-year-old girl at an Israeli air base, the military confirmed yesterday.

A spokesman for the Israeli army told the local press that the incident was very grave and "seriously deviates from appropriate behavioural norms and values".

According to reports in the Israeli media, the girl - whose father is a non-commissioned officer in the army - was living with her family at an air base in the south of Israel. She began to have sex with soldiers and workers at the base from the age of 11 until the age of 14.

The girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, told investigators that she agreed to sex, but according to Israeli law a girl under 16 cannot legally engage in consensual sex, and the men are expected to be charged with statutory rape.

The news was greeted with shock by Israelis, who tend to believe their army is morally superior to those in other countries.
 
Articles get thrown up on the internet and picked up and passed on.

This Badges Story has been picked up and passed on dozens of times? (Try google)

Is it true? Someone said it is not.

It seems unlikely to me.


It also seems unlikely that 17 men would have sex with an 11 year old.

Is that story true?
 
nbcrusader said:


You know, trying to strive for the usual Islamic / Judeo-Christian balance of information.


you know,
trying to strive for the truth about stories on the internet


as I stated, both of these stories seemed unlikely to me

and it appears the Iran story is false.
 
nbcrusader said:


You know, trying to strive for the usual Islamic / Judeo-Christian balance of information.



as we well know, it's important to "teach the contraversy" and examine all sides of a news story or issue and not just the sides supported by facts.
 
according to everything i've read, the story is bunk.

it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Iran, but at it stands now, it's hooey.
 
Irvine511 said:
as we well know, it's important to "teach the contraversy" and examine all sides of a news story or issue and not just the sides supported by facts.

That would be great - if it actually happened.

No one has posted a link to a story debunking the original article.

And deep did not originally post the story as an example of other false reporting - it took two or three subsequent posts before he could soften the blow.
 
the post retracts the story:

[q]Experts say report of badges for Jews in Iran is untrue

Chris Wattie, National Post
Published: Friday, May 19, 2006

Several experts are casting doubt on reports that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims.

The Iranian embassy in Otttawa also denied the Iranian government had passed such a law.

A news story and column by Iranian-born analyst Amir Taheri in yesterday’s National Post reported that the Iranian parliament had passed a sweeping new law this week outlining proper dress for Iran’s majority Muslims, including an order for Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians to wear special strips of cloth.

According to the reports, Jews were to wear yellow cloth strips, called zonnar, while Christians were to wear red and Zoroastrians blue.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre and Iranian expatriates living in Canada had confirmed that the order had been passed, although it still had to be approved by Iran’s “Supreme Guide” Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect.

Hormoz Ghahremani, a spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa, said in an e-mail to the Post yesterday that, “We wish to categorically reject the news item.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3

[/q]
 
Now the denial by the Iranians does include an admission that they want to have dress codes for all Iranians, funny how that will fade given the hyperbole of singling out religious minorities.
 
What the???

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000785.php

Two weeks ago, Amir Taheri published an op-ed in Canada's National Post about an Iranian law that forced Jews to wear a yellow stripe. The story, reminiscent of Nazi Germany, quickly provoked outrage, but was just as quickly revealed to be a total fabrication. It also ran in the New York Post.

Apparently this is just the sort of reliable advice that President Bush needs. Yesterday, Taheri had a face-to-face with the President as one of a small group of "experts" on Iraq that visited the White House.

According to Press Secretary Tony Snow, the experts were invited to the White House for their "honest opinions" on Iraq.
 
Total fabrication? that seems like a very dubious charge. The article was about new laws governing clothing, specifically forcing all Iranians to wear dress that is consistent with Islamic norms, that part is not being attacked - the Iranian government conceeded that was the case in it's rebuttle. The issue was the ressurection of identity markers for religious and ethnic minorities in the country, this part was attacked after the Jew element was blown out of proportion.

Taheri is still a prominent commentator and it is good that the Bush administration is inviting a range of experts for their views on Iraq.
 
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