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Old 04-15-2008, 11:23 PM   #2
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Irish authorities were made aware of three death threats against JFK during his June 1963 visit to Ireland.

This information was only made public in 2006. See the following:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...9/ai_n17092126

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The threats included a warning that a sniper with a rifle would take up position on a rooftop overlooking the president's route from the Dublin airport.
^Sounds remarkably similar to the manner in which JFK was actually killed.


There was a specific telephoned threat made from a public phonebox on Dame Street either during or shortly before JFK's visit. Police had a trace on it but arrived too late to arrest the caller.

THIS FACT WAS ONLY PUBLISHED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2006 (by the Irish Times).

So, specific threats made just five months before he was actually assassinated, one of which somewhat matches the manner in which he ACTUALLY WAS ASSASSINATED.
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^Sounds remarkably similar to the manner in which JFK was actually killed.
Someone on top of a building with a rifle is a pretty common way to assassinate someone in a car. This doesn't prove anything.


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There was a specific telephoned threat made from a public phonebox on Dame Street either during or shortly before JFK's visit. Police had a trace on it but arrived too late to arrest the caller.

THIS FACT WAS ONLY PUBLISHED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2006 (by the Irish Times).

So, specific threats made just five months before he was actually assassinated, one of which somewhat matches the manner in which he ACTUALLY WAS ASSASSINATED.
So what if it was released in '06? Like I said, it proves absolutely nothing at all.

I used to believe there was a conspiracy, but watching an episode of Penn & Teller's Bullshit! convinced me otherwise. They managed to refute every single point that the conspiracy theorists come up with using easily-reproduced experiments. If I can find a link, I'll post it. That absolutely sold me that there was only Lee Harvey Oswald with a gun in the Book Depository.

I'm watching Part I right now anyways. Will give my thoughts after I see the whole thing.
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I've always believed that there has been a conspiracy. I will have to check this out.

I'm sure Dreadsox will be showing up soon.
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Buddy lost me at "The medical evidence as it exists now does not indicate a shot from the front, but we do have to understand that if Badge Man was firing, and if it was Badge Man's shot that struck the President in the head, that means that the medical evidence has been altered, and there you've got conspiracy existing within the United States government."

This is a huge logic leap, and proves to me that buddy is looking for proof of a conspiracy (looking for evidence to back up a conclusion he has already made), not objectively looking for the answers to whether or not there was a gunman behind the fence. It completely undermines his credibility.

As for the photo itself, I'm not convinced in the least. I could look at any given cloud and think it looks like a person (or a duck, or Europe - anything). An extremely blurry shot from far away is pretty poor evidence to base an entire theory upon. This to me is no more than the equivalent of a Rorschach test.

Also to consider, from Wikipedia's "Badge Man" page:
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Other researchers have claimed that the "Badge Man" image is the sun-reflected outline of a soda pop bottle sitting atop the cement retaining wall. Marilyn Sitzman, who was standing a few yards from the retaining wall, saw a young black couple eating lunch on a bench behind that wall, and heard a soda bottle crash just after the motorcade passed by. Photos and films immediately afterwards do show a bottle sitting atop the retaining wall.
All in all, I'm not convinced. Besides, if there really was a conspiracy involving the Dallas Police/the FBI/the CIA/the Mafia/Cuba/anti-Castroites/Smurfs/whoever, wouldn't someone involved, anyone, in such large groups have said something in 45 years? There's no way with all the investigation into this that if a conspiracy truly did exist, not a single person who was in on it would be found or come forward. It's virtually impossible to keep such a large number of people completely quiet for such a long time.

Anyways, that's all for now. But I am quite interested to hear what dreadsox has to say about this, he usually has some great thoughts on the JFK assassination.

ETA: Here's a link to the Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode that refutes the conspiracy theory, as well as a few others (hopefully this link works):http://www.tv-links.cc/redir4.php?l=...Q9MTc5Nzg0MjY=
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Buddy lost me at "The medical evidence as it exists now does not indicate a shot from the front, but we do have to understand that if Badge Man was firing, and if it was Badge Man's shot that struck the President in the head, that means that the medical evidence has been altered, and there you've got conspiracy existing within the United States government."

This is a huge logic leap, and proves to me that buddy is looking for proof of a conspiracy (looking for evidence to back up a conclusion he has already made), not objectively looking for the answers to whether or not there was a gunman behind the fence. It completely undermines his credibility.

As for the photo itself, I'm not convinced in the least. I could look at any given cloud and think it looks like a person (or a duck, or Europe - anything). An extremely blurry shot from far away is pretty poor evidence to base an entire theory upon. This to me is no more than the equivalent of a Rorschach test.

Also to consider, from Wikipedia's "Badge Man" page:


All in all, I'm not convinced. Besides, if there really was a conspiracy involving the Dallas Police/the FBI/the CIA/the Mafia/Cuba/anti-Castroites/Smurfs/whoever, wouldn't someone involved, anyone, in such large groups have said something in 45 years? There's no way with all the investigation into this that if a conspiracy truly did exist, not a single person who was in on it would be found or come forward. It's virtually impossible to keep such a large number of people completely quiet for such a long time.

Anyways, that's all for now. But I am quite interested to hear what dreadsox has to say about this, he usually has some great thoughts on the JFK assassination.

ETA: Here's a link to the Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode that refutes the conspiracy theory, as well as a few others (hopefully this link works):http://www.tv-links.cc/redir4.php?l=...Q9MTc5Nzg0MjY=
Penn and Teller???
Since when did those two clowns become authorities on the JFK assasination????
Anyways, you failed to mention the guy at the end of Part 2 - he saw a cop and a railroad guy in the grassy knoll. He's simply not lying. You can tell from his reaction while looking at the photo's that he's truly scared. As far as no one coming forth how about E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession...
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=126&a=1565
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Penn and Teller???
Since when did those two clowns become authorities on the JFK assasination????
Did you even bother to click the link before you immediately dismissed it?

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Anyways, you failed to mention the guy at the end of Part 2 - he saw a cop and a railroad guy in the grassy knoll. He's simply not lying. You can tell from his reaction while looking at the photo's that he's truly scared.
The guy didn't even mention the "railroad guy" before he saw the photo, then all of a sudden he remembers.

I prefer to trust scientific evidence over the memory of an old man 25 years after the fact.

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As far as no one coming forth how about E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession...
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=126&a=1565
I have a Rolling Stone magazine with a 12-page feature about E. Howard Hunt's confession, that (for some reason) I haven't read. I will read it, and your link, tonight and let you know what I think.

But for the record, E. Howard Hunt doesn't hold a lot of credibility with me as it is, being an apologist for Guatemala '53 and planning Watergate.

We shall see.
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I've always believed that there has been a conspiracy. I will have to check this out.

I'm sure Dreadsox will be showing up soon.
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I do not believe there was anyone in the grassy knoll.

SHOCKER:O)

The back brace kennedy wore & the forward motion of the vehicle, combined with the EXPLOSION of his skull shattering all contribute to the illusion that he was shot from the side.

The number of witnesses thinking the shot came from the knoll is miniscule compared to the number of witnesses who say it did not.

THe secret service SUCKED that day. Kennedy could have avoided being shot in the head if the driver had not stomped on the break and slowed down. This allowed the clear head shot.

Personnaly, I am not a believer in Badgeman Theory.
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I started an E. Howard Hunt thread a little over a year ago in here. If I recall correctly, he implicated Vice President Johnson and a member of the Secret Service whose wife Kennedy was allegedly screwing.

Hunt lacks credibility with his deathbead analysis. His son, stands to make $$$$ off of it.

I believe the Kennedy Assasination has ties to the MOB/Cuban operations. I think that is where the coverup comes into play. Our government was involved so much shit.

I believe that there is an increasing chance that Oswald was somehow involved with the government in some manner.

So many things have blown into conspiracy due to governement secrecy, that have now been shown to be false with the release of documents as time has gone on, really lead me to believe that the government was covering up other operations, that had a chance at being exposed.
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Did you even bother to click the link before you immediately dismissed it?



The guy didn't even mention the "railroad guy" before he saw the photo, then all of a sudden he remembers.

I prefer to trust scientific evidence over the memory of an old man 25 years after the fact.



I have a Rolling Stone magazine with a 12-page feature about E. Howard Hunt's confession, that (for some reason) I haven't read. I will read it, and your link, tonight and let you know what I think.

But for the record, E. Howard Hunt doesn't hold a lot of credibility with me as it is, being an apologist for Guatemala '53 and planning Watergate.

We shall see.
O.K....I watched the Penn and Teller "Bullshit" episode.
I can't believe you take them seriously. They use the worst possible conspiracy "theorists" and make a mockery of anyone asking real questions. If they weren't such egotistical assholes then I'd have to conclude the involvement ran deeper...but no, they are just two morons who know how to make a good buck. Sad really.
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Well, the Discovery Channel has recently run two OUTSTANDING documentaries on the assassination. Relatively new material.

One demonstrated through the use of forensics gelatin, human bones, and a very carefully line up a marksman in line with the car. One shot on the area of Kennedy's back that the magic bullet entered. THe bullet traveled through the body, exiting the lower throught and into the Connoly body and EXACTLY into the wrist of the Connoly body. They took the autopsy reports to multiple forensic scientists who all said they would testify in court that the wounds were caused by multiple bullets. They were not told that they were looking at autopsy reports related to the Kennedy assasination.

Upon showing them that the wounds came from one bullet - the forensic scientists were pretty stunned.

THey also ran a show with a computer generated replica of Dealy Plaza. Very nice 3D graphics that clearly trace everything back to the snipers nest.

Oswald was the ONLY employee who turned up missing from the depository.

Oswald was identified for the murder of officer JD Tippet which occured just after the assasination 1/2 hour or so.

Oswald showed up to see his wife the night before - they had separated - he came to visit the children in a regular pattern for the months prior. THis was the only time he showed up unannounced/on an unscheduled night. His rifle, which was stored with Marina and the family, was removed that night by Oswald. He left Marina his wedding ring and money that night - something he never did before. - other than one other time - the Assasination Attempt on General Edwin Walker. His wife confirmed for the Warren Commission that Lee indeed had attempted to Kill the General, and the pattern of leaving her things after that action, follows the pattern of Oswald leaving her things the night before he killed Kennedy.

There is not a doubt in my mind that Lee Harvey Oswald was either the lone assassin or a consipirator. I still lean conspirator in the sense that I believe he was involved with people who wanted Kennedy dead, but he was the loan gunman.

Currently, I have chatted online with an intelligence officer who alleges that he was sent to Dealy Plaza with a team to prevent the assasination. He belives that JMWAVE out of Miami is/may have been the governement connection to the assassination.

Peace out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JMWAVE

Porter Goss was involved in that project along with Hunt & George HW Bush.

From JMWAVE operation Northwoods was created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Basically this operation was about bringing the USA into armed conflict.
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These are the likely suspects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40
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Very informative. Thanks. But I still cannot see Oswald as a lone gunman. You'd have to be the worlds best sniper to pull it off alone. And don't forget the witnesses that swear they heard shots from the grassy knoll.
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