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Old 05-27-2006, 05:53 AM   #16
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watching the news recently it seems that aboriginal culture isnt so good for australia, with women and children being sexually assulted and bashed, and alice springs being one of the most dangerous cities IN THE WORLD!. and SOCCER is catching on, its the most popular participation sport at the moment, over taking cricket...geez i wonder why couldent be that its not cricket season could it!. imagine what would happen if Australia won the FIFA world cup...or even beats brazil in the pool matches!.
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A few negative things about Australia...
What i've just read,you may want to change your heading to "A few negative things about NSW"

We've got a shite anthem no one knows the words to. Give me the Turkish, Tunisian, Brazilian national anthem anyday.... or Men At Work's Down Under.[/QUOTE]
Just because you don't know the words ,does not mean the rest of Australia does not either...bloody learn the words!

[/B]Aussie music in the 80's was the best in the world, now it's the worst in the world.....[/B][/QUOTE]
So what..........!

[/B]We've got a shite flag. Simple horizontal stripes would be nice, or the Eureka Sockade southern cross flag.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yawn...........!!!

[/B]We're not a republic[/B][/QUOTE]
Yet!
Who would you like to see President then!

[/B]John Howard has been PM for 10 years and it's a national disgrace that someone like Downer could get into politics.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ummmmm.........there is a technique called "voting"....use it!

[/B]New South Welshmen and women[/B][/QUOTE]
Up yours!!! *gives the finger*


[/B]Sydney[/B][/QUOTE]
MOVE!


[/B]Queensland (cept for the northern bit)[/B][/QUOTE]
*confused* MOVE!

[/B]Rugby League[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh mate....you a grasping at straws now!

[/B]Real football is called soccer and real football is not the national sport.....yet (i hold hope)[/B][/QUOTE]
I like soccer too! But i'm afraid to say it will never be the nations game!

[/B]The VFL is now the AFL [/QUOTE]
*confused*

[/B]There are very few decent Aussie TV shows[/QUOTE]
But we have a wonderful array of "A-List" actors

[/B]Private Schools are among the most elitist in the world[/B][/QUOTE]
Is this a bad thing?????

[/B]Everything is too far away[/B][/QUOTE]
But.....you were just complaining...nevermind!Don't move then!


[/B]Our history is tarnished by a genocide committed against the indigenous population. (although no one speaks of it)[/B][/QUOTE]
What country has not! I speak about it,and it is now in the schools curriculum....so now our kids will know.

[/B]There has never been a civil war in which Victoria, SA, WA, NT and Tassie won independence from those "people" up north. That would be utopia, almost.[/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you are joking! That would be the most disturbing thing i've read yet on these forums...a fellow countryman wishing war on another! You are a deadset disgrace!!!!

[/B]We've never won a fifa world cup.[/B][/QUOTE]
Neither has alot of other countries!!!

[/B]There is an anti-Victorian bias in the selection process for our national cricket team. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wonder why..........is it 'cause maybe they are just crap!!!

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Hahahahahaaa!


Well done, fly so high, a vigorous defense of one's national honor is always welcomed.

intedomine is probably a commie
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Apparently you (Australians) consume even fewer vegetables than we (Americans -- I'm assuming they mean the US) do.

However, a greater portion of our veggies are potatoes and we consume more carbs (and I doubt a lot of them are complex) overall.

Here's the article from The Sydney Morning Herald from April 7 of this year:

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AUSTRALIANS eat fewer vegetables each year than Americans, a new report has found.
Australians consume an average of 162 kilograms of vegetables each year, including potatoes, compared with Americans' 189 kilograms, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics report said.

While both countries have dramatically improved their vegetable intake over the past three decades, Australians are now eating only the amount Americans were eating in the 1970s. And that amount is not increasing.

"The recent trends in per-person consumption in both Australia and other developed countries suggest that per-person consumption of vegetables is unlikely to increase significantly in the short to medium term," it said.

Dr Tim Gill, the principal research scientist at the NSW Centre for Public Health Nutrition said Australians had fallen short of the amount of vegies required for a healthy diet.

Australians should try to eat about 146 kilograms of vegetables a year, not including potatoes, or 400 grams a day.

He also cautioned against concluding Americans were healthier eaters, observing that Americans tended to consume more carbohydrates.

Indeed, potatoes represent about half of America's vegetable intake, compared with 42 per cent for Australians, the report found.

Changing cultural habits and eating arrangements, such as eating out, were the main culprits behind the vegetable deficiency, he said.

"It's not as if families sit down and mum prepares the evening meal these days," he said. "A lot of it is preprepared."

The report confirmed this trend, finding Australians consume about a third of their vegetables in restaurants and that, despite an abundance of local fresh vegetables, processed vegetables made up about half of Australian vegetable intake.

But most vegetables consumed in Australia are produced locally - just 8 per cent of vegetables are imported, the report found.


Vegetable consumption, 1998-99

Potatoes 42%

Other root and bulb vegetables 15%

Tomatoes 15%

Leafy and green vegetables 12%

Other vegetables 16%
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intedomine i have a horrific problem with your attitude, did you know that wishing civil war in australia is ILLEGAL its a thing called treason, its punishable by life in prison..although i think trators deserve death!. im from melbourne as well but you dont here me being completely bias against all other states, whats wrong with having a league of all states playing footy and there is no bias in cricket selection have you ever heard of a guy called shane warne, yeah hes from victoria!. and so australias never won a FIFA world cup, we make up for it in cricket world cups and olympic/commonwealth gold, weve only been to the FIFA world cup once. and you torrade about private schools leads me to assume you were rejected, well im a private school boy and there is no elitism is most private schools, scotch college maybe but not most places.
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Those Scotch bastards

The private school issue seems extremely dubious, the majority of families that send their kids to private schools are not rich and they will pay to do what they think is best for their kids, wanting to go out and punish them for this is wrong - parents should be given education vouchers and there should be no government money going to any private schools.
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Gee, some people take things a bit too seriously...

All of a sudden I'm a commie....i dont know how that conclusion was reached. Please explain.

The Civil War comment was taken to literally. Sorry if it, somehow, offends? It was meant jokingly I'm very much a pacifist and war is never a good thing. But I do believe there needs to be some kind of restoration of state pride and rivalry because I just think it would be good for the nation rather than relying on a government based a long way from cities such as Perth, Cairns and even Hobart. It's almost like foreign empire. There's no community spirit anymore. The best place to start would be to promote what is special about being Victorian or New South Walesian or whatever.....and I love Victoria and Melbourne and it means more to me than Australia....even if no one else shares such a feeling.

I wish the VFL never expanded interestate cause the AFL clubs seem to lack any real identity anymore. They have become just brands whilst about half of the remaining Victorian clubs are gonna merge, relocate or dissolve eventually. Plus, most NSW don't have much interest in AFL yet.

No one can justify the axing of Brad Hodge from the Aussie test team......it was disgusting and it wouldn't have happened if he was from NSW or QLD.

I know the words to Advance Australia fair, I just don't like them and many people dont know 'em and many people think it sounds bad.

Where's the logic in having another country's flag on Australia's flag? Hard to have national honour when your country is supposedly still a British colony.

I didn't vote Downer into parliament...

Most of my comments were petty and cheap shots, I'm sorry you didn't see them that way.

Jeez....
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Those Scotch bastards

The private school issue seems extremely dubious, the majority of families that send their kids to private schools are not rich and they will pay to do what they think is best for their kids, wanting to go out and punish them for this is wrong - parents should be given education vouchers and there should be no government money going to any private schools.
I agree pretty much wholeheartedly.

If someschools are struggling to provide opportunity in academia, sport and the arts, then it makes sense to divert the government money from well-off private schools and into struggling state schools.

Let's face it, some private schools have more money than is necessarily, and are merely wasting it on making bigger gymnasiums and bigger swimming pools


No one is saying, or should be saying, PUNISH parents who send their kids to private schools, They are only doing what they deem is logical, and are giving their child every chance to strive and succeed. Common sense, and I'd do the same if I had kids and money.

It's just there is no sense in children being PUNISHED because they just so happen to be born to parents who have NO CHOICE AT ALL in sending them to a school which provides greater opportunity.

To fix this discrepancy is something the world should pursue.

Ultimately, the goal should not be merely equalisation, but from this moment on, raising the standard of every school, to the equal of the most perfect private school.

It would be a major victory for those who believe in privilege based on merit.
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Originally posted by fly so high!

What i've just read,you may want to change your heading to "A few negative things about NSW"

We've got a shite anthem no one knows the words to. Give me the Turkish, Tunisian, Brazilian national anthem anyday.... or Men At Work's Down Under.

Just because you don't know the words ,does not mean the rest of Australia does not either...bloody learn the words!

Aussie music in the 80's was the best in the world, now it's the worst in the world.....[/B][/QUOTE]
So what..........!

[/B]We've got a shite flag. Simple horizontal stripes would be nice, or the Eureka Sockade southern cross flag.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yawn...........!!!

[/B]We're not a republic[/B][/QUOTE]
Yet!
Who would you like to see President then!

[/B]John Howard has been PM for 10 years and it's a national disgrace that someone like Downer could get into politics.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ummmmm.........there is a technique called "voting"....use it!

[/B]New South Welshmen and women[/B][/QUOTE]
Up yours!!! *gives the finger*


[/B]Sydney[/B][/QUOTE]
MOVE!


[/B]Queensland (cept for the northern bit)[/B][/QUOTE]
*confused* MOVE!

[/B]Rugby League[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh mate....you a grasping at straws now!

[/B]Real football is called soccer and real football is not the national sport.....yet (i hold hope)[/B][/QUOTE]
I like soccer too! But i'm afraid to say it will never be the nations game!

[/B]The VFL is now the AFL [/QUOTE]
*confused*

[/B]There are very few decent Aussie TV shows[/QUOTE]
But we have a wonderful array of "A-List" actors

[/B]Private Schools are among the most elitist in the world[/B][/QUOTE]
Is this a bad thing?????

[/B]Everything is too far away[/B][/QUOTE]
But.....you were just complaining...nevermind!Don't move then!


[/B]Our history is tarnished by a genocide committed against the indigenous population. (although no one speaks of it)[/B][/QUOTE]
What country has not! I speak about it,and it is now in the schools curriculum....so now our kids will know.

[/B]There has never been a civil war in which Victoria, SA, WA, NT and Tassie won independence from those "people" up north. That would be utopia, almost.[/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you are joking! That would be the most disturbing thing i've read yet on these forums...a fellow countryman wishing war on another! You are a deadset disgrace!!!!

[/B]We've never won a fifa world cup.[/B][/QUOTE]
Neither has alot of other countries!!!

[/B]There is an anti-Victorian bias in the selection process for our national cricket team. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wonder why..........is it 'cause maybe they are just crap!!!

[/B][/QUOTE]


Well done mate, couldnt have put it better :clap: :clap: :clap:

very well said, i dont think any one sholuld slag off their country
even if their are some things you dissagre about, every place in the world is like that and thats life
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That is exactly not what I was saying, your talk of "equalisation" is just the same redistribution class-divide shit that Latham tried to pull off last election. it is appropriating money and redistributing it away in the name of equality that I have a problem with, it is the slurring of the private schools as elitist and the proposed solution that would just drag everything down.

Australia has a fairly well balanced system, some things are definitely changing for the better (e.g. dumping mandatory student unionism, reforming HECS at a tertiary level - opening up for full-fee students). Cutting all government funding to private schools and instead offering a voucher system to parents not taking money away from private schools is much better idea and would give parents choice without taking away anything directly.
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LOL! i dont think indetermine was being serious, although he seems rather passionate about a great city, and well a pretty CRAP state! hahaha

I live in Melbourne, but am a northern territorian through and through and shudder if someone calls me victorian, but then what a bit of friendly competition between states?

Indira, i think the reason why americans eat more vegetables is a little something called FRENCH FRIES (or freedom fries?? are they still called that? hahaha)

Reasons why Australia rocks

We have a pretty good socail system here. sure we have plenty of dicks controlling it AND rorting it but to give someone almost $500 a fortnight to "look for work" is pretty good.

SAme goes with medicare, yeah yeah its going to poo atm, but still we can go to the dr's for less then $10 a visit for working people and nothing for pov or students like me.

Sure we have arseholes and psychos like every society but on the whole its a pretty healthy safe country. We have no rabies, malaria and other type diseases, we have free vaccinations and we don't have hundreds of murders everywhere

We are multicultural, and on the whole compared to places like the US, we embraced that wholeheartedly. I love being able to experience different cultures living in Melbourne.

good food, good scenery, mostly friendly and helpful people


lots of others but thats all for now...

and the bad things

This obsession with sport. GET OVER IT! Just because someone can kick a ball or hit a ball or something doesnt mean they can get paid millions of dollars and be in my face every day. I hate it and cricket/soccer/and footy are the worse culprits of that. Case in point Sam Newman for being an ex footballer and a right tool and still having a job.

The fact that it takes a day at the least to get anywhere drving, and that we have only one proper airline that goes to most places. Like one flight a day to alice springs. WTF? We live in the dark ages when it comes to travel!

I hate that it costs more then $2000 to get out of the bloody country to go anywhere different and interesting hahah

and lastly, that we get compared to or mixed up with new zealanders! *shudders more* I dont know HOW they can say we sound similar, when they sound like they are talking with a speech impediment/brain disorder, and we sound normal. HAHAH

oh and how we have like two political parties that are exactly the same and little simpering bitches to each other and really have no alternative to them.
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LOL! i dont think indetermine was being serious, although he seems rather passionate about a great city, and well a pretty CRAP state!
What's wrong with the state?

Wilson's Prom is gorgeous and the Great Ocean Road is an amazing drive.

Ballarat feels amazing when you go there. I can't explain it but it's unique.
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Well done mate, couldnt have put it better :clap: :clap: :clap:

very well said, i dont think any one sholuld slag off their country
even if their are some things you dissagre about, every place in the world is like that and thats life [/B][/QUOTE]

I thought the topic was opened so that one could voice their criticisms and opinions about Australia.

I think everyone's got the right to slag off their own country. In a democracy, one's grievances must be voiced. It's the only way things will get done.

Should pride be limited just to the nation? Is there something wrong with having greater pride in one's community or state? I think not, state and community rivalry is healthy and should be encouraged. We, as the jigsaw pieces that make up Australia, can learn from each other.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with not liking Rugby League, wanting your national football team to win a world cup, reckoning that the cricket selectors are bias, wanting a new national anthem, wanting a new flag or thinking that Victoria is better than the Northern states. Pretty much eveything else I said was a joke.....
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That is exactly not what I was saying, your talk of "equalisation" is just the same redistribution class-divide shit that Latham tried to pull off last election. it is appropriating money and redistributing it away in the name of equality that I have a problem with, it is the slurring of the private schools as elitist and the proposed solution that would just drag everything down.

Australia has a fairly well balanced system, some things are definitely changing for the better (e.g. dumping mandatory student unionism, reforming HECS at a tertiary level - opening up for full-fee students). Cutting all government funding to private schools and instead offering a voucher system to parents not taking money away from private schools is much better idea and would give parents choice without taking away anything directly.
Specify how this voucher system would work and I might support it

The ultimate goal must be to ensure that children who might have only one parent working in a hard, low-paid job are given every opportunity to become the next James Morrison, or Professor Clark, or Shane Warne or Cathy Freeman or John Howard or Missy Higgins. At the moment, we know that that is not a reality. If a proposed voucher system delivers equal opportunity, then i will support it all the way, but otherwise, what solution is there? Higher taxes that will be directed into greatly improving the education system? Voters will never support that.

I'm fed up with seeing the hopes and dreams of children stifled by the failure of an education system that is discriminatory in it's offering of opportunity.

If a voucher system will solve this, then it's the way to go.

But ultimately, what harm is there in having a goal in which every school is equal in terms of the opportunities they can offer.
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We are multicultural, and on the whole compared to places like the US, we embraced that wholeheartedly.

Hahahhahaaa!!

Cronulla riots anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_race_riots


"More than any other cultural or ethnic group, Muslims and people from the Middle East are thought to be unable to fit into Australia, with more than half of Australians preferring their relatives did not to marry into a Muslim family."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...330603395.html


Australians are just as racist and intolerant as everyone else on the planet, stop kidding yourself
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