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Old 03-19-2007, 07:56 AM   #46
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I don't have a problem with drinking every now and then either.
What I meant was getting so drunk every weekend which is quite normal here.
My cousin and most of my schoolmates went out, and some still do, every Friday and Saturday, drinking until they can't do anything anymore.
My cousin even drove drunk, and one time he crashed having three passengers in the car.
Luckily it was a Audi, so it was a more secure and stable car and everybody survived. With his next car, a VW Golf, surely non of them would have survived.

When I speak of a problem I mean this behaviour, to get stupidly drunk every weekend.

The standard drink here is Cognac mixed with Cola, but the amount of Cognac gets more and more with each glass.
Then you play drinking games where you drink various shots of different liquors.
Very popular as well as Red Bull with Vodka, Bacardi Lemon with Sprite, and all that stuff. Beer only sometimes, it's not that popular with the youth anymore. The breweries reacted and now you have stuff like beer mixed with lemon, or energy stuff or whatever.

I can't say how much they exactly drink, but it's a lot, and it's more I ever could drink at one evening. They usually start at about eight, nine pm and it goes until three o' clock, sometimes longer.

And like I sat, very popular are those discos where you pay about €10 to €15, which is about $13 to $18 and then you can drink as much as possible.

I've seen it various times, and it's such a waste of money. And that weekend after weekend.
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Old 03-19-2007, 09:30 AM   #47
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Maybe I'm bias since we have an alcoholic in the family, but when you see someone who no has no control over his drinking addiction, you wonder why anyone would think acting that way is cool and try to mimic the disease for fun.
I can relate unfortunately and I agree. There's nothing fun or funny about it for me.
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:13 AM   #48
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The teenager who drank 52 tequila finally died last night after four weeks in coma.


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In Berlin ist die Zahl der mit einer Alkoholvergiftung eingelieferten Jugendlichen auf einem Höchststand: Wegen akuter Alkoholvergiftung wurden 2005 insgesamt 274 Kinder und Jugendliche im Alter zwischen zehn und 20 Jahren stationär in einem Krankenhaus behandelt. Bei den männlichen Jugendlichen war das im Vergleich zum Vorjahr eine Steigerung um 73 Prozent, bei den Mädchen ein Plus von 16 Prozent.
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Translated: In Berlin the number of teenagers with alcohol intoxication is at a high: Due to acute alcohol intoxication 274 children age ten to twenty received in-patient treatment in hospitals in 2005. Compared with the year before it increased by 73 percent with male, and 16 percent with female.

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[In Europe] every tenth who drinks, drinks aims for a drunken stupor, often even faints.
With teenagers it's twice as many.
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I don't believe in drinking to get drunk. I actually don't drink at all, but I won't make an issue of the occasional drink, or drinking in moderation (though "moderation" can be tricky thing, which is WHY I don't drink at all).

I don't think that people who drink to get drunk are evil people. But I do believe it's wrong (and not just for teenagers). And people who choose to do so, who might be quite bright and intelligent otherwise, are not making very wise choices.

And unfortunately, sometimes yourself ISN'T the only person you hurt.
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And unfortunately, sometimes yourself ISN'T the only person you hurt.
That's my main beef w/ drinking. RARELY is it only the drinking individual who is affected by his or her actions.
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I enjoy a few beers or glasses of wine every now and then, and getting a good buzz going can be fun in the right company, but I've never been able to relate to the pleasure of actually getting drunk, even though I'm one of those lucky people who can do so without ever getting a hangover. Felt the same way about getting stoned the few times I tried it; I just don't enjoy that sensation of not being in control of my mind. I don't feel any moral revulsion towards people who enjoy drinking to get drunk on occasion or anything like that; I just simply don't get it.

What has always bothered me about 'binge drinking,' particularly as I remember seeing it in college (and to some extent grad school), is the dissolution of that usual unspoken compact to look out for each other, to pull your friends back from doing something stupid to themselves, that too often happens once the heavy drinking sets in. Now, as a professor, I read about the same things happening via the campus security briefs in our school newspaper after every weekend. Sexual assaults at frat parties, guys putting their fists through a wall or some "friend's" head through a window--stuff like that. I recall an occasion when a female classmate of mine who'd just been assaulted while walking home at night (an attempted rape; she did get away, but not without some bruised ribs, sprained fingers, and grass and dirt all over her) fled to a nearby bar where several of her friends happened to be hanging out and none of them--none--were sober enough to register what she was tearfully trying to explain had happened to her and help her out; she had to call herself a taxi instead. Or the Saturday night my freshman year when I walked down the hall of my dorm to the one closet-sized bathroom which was open on our floor at that time (they were renovating) and found some girl in her heels and fancy minidress and all that passed out sprawled across the room with her head on the toilet, puke all over the place. I had no idea who she was, let alone which party she was from, so I called the RA who in turn called for medical help. Man, did I get a lot of crap for "ratting" on her and her friends, but I wasn't gleefully looking to get anyone in trouble or anything; it just really frightened me to think that someone in what must have been a blatantly obvious, highly intoxicated state could've tottered out the door all by herself like that, failed to come back, and no one had the presence of mind to go looking for her. It's that kind of thing that really does disturb me about the 'culture' of binge drinking, if I can call it that. I realize it's far from the rule, but if even one incident like any of the above happens, that's one too many by me.



The only thing I really enjoy drinking is red wine. Like you say, it can be great in the right moment, with the right people. I like how it can accentuate a great song, or relax you a bit when watching an otherwise uptight hockey game between bitter rivals.

I come from a small town, and it was par for the course to drink regularly, and get ‘plastered.’ I never bought-in to the routine, and I undoubtedly paid a small price socially because of it. I wouldn’t change a thing, however.

The only thing I would change, if I had the power, is the level of expectation that’s placed on young people to drink. It’s a trap that’s often driven by advertising and peer pressure. It especially bugs me, for example, how sport is so intertwined with drinking on television, and at the venues. That’s just sending the wrong kind of message, and one that self-perpetuates for every new crop of kids that comes along.
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If people are going to drink, they will, whatever, as long as they don't drive. I can't understand the villainization of cigarettes, though, while booze remains cool, and it does much worse to a person's stability, and is just as bad for your health. For that matter, why does pot remain illegal if booze is okay? I'm not for prohibition, just wondering why pot and cigs are so bad if booze is accepted. I am all for legalizing pot.
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I have no idea but I like the way you think.
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Thanks. You must be a cool guy
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Old 03-30-2007, 11:12 AM   #55
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Just one who thinks that being able to control our own minds with chemicals is better than having other people saying that we can't.

But we have to remember that prohibition is good for politicans who can get more power, good for organised crime which is always able to fill the demand and is considered by most people to be good for "society".
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And unfortunately, sometimes yourself ISN'T the only person you hurt.
Yes this is so true.

There is a huge binge drinking culture in Europe and i think the UK, my country is top of the league of binge drinkers. In alot of bars/clubs/pubs there are special promtions which mean that drinks are super cheap, like 3 for £5, £1.50 for some double shots and mixers. Alot of people get drunk alot quicker obviously and most bars would continue serving them.

I remember a one off incident when i was at school where a few kids sat on the school field one lunchtime and drank alot of vodka and i remember one of them ending up in hospital having his stomach pumped. We were about 15.
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:40 AM   #57
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I've recently read an article about special tours for tourists here in Berlin where they go from club to disco and so on, everywhere where they offer the so called "flatrate drinking". In between they get some longdrinks, too.

It's pretty popular with Brits, Americans and Australians.

Now there is some approach to abolish these flatrate offers.
Three incidents in the last month here in Berlin, the 16-year old that died, a girl that jumped off an balcony and a 15-year old coming into hopsital with 4.1 promille, had some impact on the politicians.
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Well, my sister, who just turned 15 on Wednesday, got an underage drinking ticket last night. She blew a .115 blood alcohol level. Honestly, I've seen it coming for a long time...but apparently, my parents haven't wanted to believe that she could be drinking.

And, how did the party get busted? Someone was driving away from the party.

Now, I don't drink often, it's maybe one drink every 3 months or so, but anytime I do, I stay at the person's house. I under no circumstances drive anywhere until well into the next day. I think that's the truly scary thing about teens, at least in America. People think that nothing bad will ever happen to them, then they end up dead in the ditch.
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One point to note, alcohol consumption per capita in America has actually declined very significantly in recent decades.
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Just one who thinks that being able to control our own minds with chemicals is better than having other people saying that we can't.
Under any circumstances?

Should you be allowed to drink and drive?

What is the difference between costing an individual directly (by killing them in a drunk driving accident) or costing society indirectly (by binging and then setting us back well into 6 figures for the cost of your life support for 42 days)?
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