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Old 03-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #16
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Yeah, it was true with most my friends.

But it seem like professional programs are stacked with boozers. It's actually seriously appalling.
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Old 03-15-2007, 02:18 PM   #17
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I guess that's how some of the people in those programs cope with the stress.
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Old 03-15-2007, 03:06 PM   #18
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In Europe I imagine people drink a lot more and from an earlier age.

We have the highest amount of binge-drinkers here in Europe. 1 in 3 Irish folk binge drink. It doesn't really surprise me, all our socialising is done in the pub and people here can't limit themselves.
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Old 03-15-2007, 03:21 PM   #19
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That's right, Germany came second after GB.

Beer is a culture here. And from beer it all starts.
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That's right. Here five beers is for a starter. It's even that beer isn't consumed that much by the youth.
Usually you start drinking at 14 at the latest. It's not unusual to see kids as young as nine or ten at a party totally drunk. They drink beer and alcopops.
The older ones, i.e. thirteen plus drink vodka, cognac, rum and all that stuff, mixed with cola, or Red Bull-Vodka and such with some liquors in between.

They drink until everythnig comes back, so that they can proll about howm much they drank the next monday in school.

Very popular is so-called flatrate-drinking in discos.
Flatrate here is if you have a DSL unlimited plan, and in the discos it is you pay €12, about $15, and can drink as much as you like. So of course it's a contest very often, and if you can't compet, you are out.

This behaviour stops around age 22 or so, sometimes later.
Good grief.
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:32 PM   #21
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It's a Northern European thing.
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:34 PM   #22
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Usually you start drinking at 14 at the latest. It's not unusual to see kids as young as nine or ten at a party totally drunk. r.
Are you sure about this? Even in Ireland 9 and 10 year olds are not generally getting hammered, it starts in the 14/15 year age group.
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In the US I think 14-16 is generally accurate for when people start drinking.

reasons for binge drinking/getting relatively drunk, especially if you're underage:
-it's fun
-it's funny
-easiest access to alcohol is often rum/tequila/vodka, that's what teens drink most commonly in my experience. of course you can mix drinks, but shots are so easy to swallow.
-sometimes there are relatively few opportunities throughout the month to drink without getting caught, so people want to party and not just get a slight buzz

honestly I think abuse of prescription drugs is becoming a bigger problem and causing more harm...but again that's just my personal experience at my high school.
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Old 03-15-2007, 05:07 PM   #24
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Are you sure about this? Even in Ireland 9 and 10 year olds are not generally getting hammered, it starts in the 14/15 year age group.
Yes, as I said, most start at age 14. That's the age where most get their frst experiences.

With "It's not unusual to see kids as young as nine or ten at a party totally drunk" I didn't want to say it's as common as 14, but you see these children. It happens. It's not like half the party consists of nine year olds, but some are there.

You can also say that it depends on which school form they attend. In Germany we have three different schools, one for the children that have difficulties to learn, one for the "normal" kids, and one for the more intelligent ones. It's called Hauptschule, Realschule and the last one Gymnasium. And the kids that attend the Gymnasium usually are the last to start drinking, often even not before the age of sixteen.

So, nine to ten year olds are a very small minority, but I can't deny that there are some.
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It's a Northern European thing.


it's that whole lack of sunlight thing.

i don't remember any sunlight in Belgium from October to mid-April.

none.
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Yeah, I was going to say that if you have widespread binge drinking (or any kind of excessive drinking really) at the age of 9 or 10 that indicates to me some serious and severe social problems.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:09 PM   #27
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Yeah, I was going to say that if you have widespread binge drinking (or any kind of excessive drinking really) at the age of 9 or 10 that indicates to me some serious and severe social problems.
That's in a way right, but in another.. hm.

I grew up in a village surrounded by other villages.
In some of these you couldn't deal with the kids, and the teenagers. In others, like mine, the kids were ok.

And so, the really young kids generally came from the villages were the youth and kids generally was a bit weird.

But it wasn't like the parents were poor or something. It was normal, mixed folks, or still is. I don't know the reason. Probably just the surrounding.
So, it is hard to say how it comes. Some parents just really don't care, or turn a blind eye on that.

Still, it's not too many kids that age, just a few every now and then, like I meant to say.

Fourteen is the age the majority has its first experiences of drinking.
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WASHINGTON - About half of U.S. college students binge drink or abuse drugs, and the number who abuse prescription medication such as painkillers is up sharply, a report released on Thursday found.

The study, issued by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University in New York, provides a detailed look at substance abuse among America's college students based on surveys, interviews and other research.

"I think we have, by almost any standard, a serious public health problem on the college campuses. And it's deteriorating," Joseph Califano, who heads the center and served as U.S. health secretary from 1977 to 1979, said in a telephone interview.

The report found that 49 percent of full-time college students ages 18 to 22 binge drink (consuming five or more drinks at a time), or abuse prescription drugs such as painkillers or illegal drugs like cocaine and marijuana. That translates to 3.8 million students.

In 2005, 23 percent of them met the medical criteria for substance abuse or dependence, it said.

From 1993 to 2005, the proportion of students who abuse prescription painkillers such as Percocet, Vicodin and OxyContin rose more than 300 percent to 3.1 percent (about 240,000 students), the report said.

Abuse of prescription stimulants like Ritalin and Adderall doubled to 2.9 percent (225,000 students), and abuse of tranquilizers also rose, the report said.

During the same period, daily marijuana use more than doubled to 4 percent (310,000 students). Overall use of other illegal drugs such as cocaine and heroin rose by half to 8.2 percent (636,000 students).


"Basically the proportion of college students who drink and binge drink has stayed constant. But what's troubling is the tremendous increase in the intensity of their drinking and drug use and the excessiveness of it," Califano said.

The percentage of students who drink remained about even with a similar 1993 report -- 70 percent then and 68 percent in 2005. Binge drinking stayed at 40 percent of students.

But the proportion who binge drink frequently, defined as three or more times over two weeks, rose by 16 percent from 1993 to 2005. Drinking 10 or more times per month rose 25 percent, and drinking three or more times per month rose 26 percent.

Daily smoking among college students fell from 15 percent in 1993 to 12 percent in 2005.

The substance abuse has contributed to alcohol-related deaths and injuries, and sexual assaults against female students, the report said.

Califano called the report the most exhaustive ever done on substance abuse on U.S. college campuses.

"College presidents, deans and trustees have facilitated a college culture of alcohol and drug abuse that is linked to poor student academic performance, depression, anxiety, suicide, property damage, vandalism, fights and a host of medical problems," the report said.

The report was based on results of a nationally representative telephone survey of 2,000 students, surveys of approximately 400 college and university administrators, interviews with researchers in the field and other data.
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I'm a student, 16 years old, and I have classmates that can't imagine life without alcohol, some are drunk every week , I asked one and he said that he was first time drunk at 12, so I think here in central Europe it's problem too,even the teachers sometimes know about it but do nothing
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i disagree with the definitions of binge drinking. .
I agree with you 100% 5 drinks in a session is a rather vague description. Is a session an hour, 2 hours, 6 hours? It really makes a big difference. I feel like the number applied to binge is so small and vague that of course the study will say binge drinking is a huge problem. I'm by no means saying that it's not a problem, but I don't think it's as bad as this study indicates.
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