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Old 10-08-2004, 07:32 PM   #16
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You are free to doubt the threat posed by Islamist terrorism as much as you like, but when push comes to shove they still want to kill each and every one of us - regardless of such trivia things as political persuasion or opinions on the WoT.
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I see that a small town in a county that I have never heard of here in Georgia had a high school on that disk that was found. It seems a little odd that this small school in a small town would be of interest for terrorist.
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i thought that said "abuse yourself...."
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i thought that said "abuse yourself...."
Oh dear! That really does deserve an
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You are free to doubt the threat posed by Islamist terrorism as much as you like, but when push comes to shove they still want to kill each and every one of us - regardless of such trivia things as political persuasion or opinions on the WoT.
Oh come on, no one is down playing that terrorism is something that needs to be dealt with, it's just that people are playing (and preying) on those fears. Nothing, I mean nothing can be gained by what was on those disks that couldn't be found with one simple walk through. Our schools have no secret underground escape tunnels, they have no secret means of escape. Schools are the easiest layed out plans of any public building. They are designed specifically for easy in, easy out, and easy wayfinding. Trust me I was in architecure for 10 years. Now if someone in Iraq had a set of plans to a specific casino then you can be scared. Those are designed with the exact opposite intent...easy way in, hard way, horrible wayfinding.
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The concept of having these plans is unsavoury, the point is that we should be able to adress this threat without going all henny penny at the government. A measured response to the threat is what is called for, people do not like to consider terrorists siezing and holding a building to massacre innocent kids - it is a terrifying scenario. But just because it is scary is not a reason to dismiss it offhand as propaganda.

If I was planning on siezing a school with the intention of killing a lot of people I would need to have full layouts and pick one where I could make the best defence for the atrocity - you would need to understand points of entry, response times, vulnerabilities to snipers, ventilation systems (gas could be used against you like in the theatre siege), school assemblies (when to attack), how many classrooms, structural weaknesses (for bombs), security systems, how old are the children (it is a lot easier to wipe out young kids than high school students, it is also a lot more effective in weakening the will of a population - to show them that if they dont stop then then their children will be murdered, this would then be turned against the government of the day and you would see protests saying that the blood was on their hands) - see where I am going, running through these risks is the only way to be prepared if such a tragedy eventuated, Beslan was an utter failure because the Russians did not have the plans to deal with the attack, there was no lockdown around the school, the heroism shown after the bomb blown is admirable, but the plan itself was half-baked. These groups do not need underground escape tunnels because they are willing to die for their cause and take as many innocent people with them as they can. Beslan is an example of a terror attack - there is no reason that it could not be repeated anywhere else and when information on specific schools start to pop up in such unlikely places I think that it should really get peoples attention.

I mean for crying out loud the clues were there before 9.11 and ever since we have been hearing how they were ignored; saying that this is not worrying is like thinking the 9.11 terrorists really did just want to learn to fly without learning how to land and just leaving it at that. I would hate to see such an attack mounted and only afterwards hear complaints about the evidence being ignored by the those in a postition to prevent it. We are at war whether we like it or not, you cannot declare a unilateral peace and escape into isolationism.

Also the DHS is downplaying this to avoid a mass panic, the last thing that they want is for people to start acting irrationally because the threat is there. And now I am going to wait to be told that the DHS is a tool of the Bush regime to control the population with fear and that this is what the entire "threat" from terrorism is all about and that the so-called War on Terror is a sham etc. etc. etc.
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Also casinos are not nearly as effective as schools. What is more effective as a tool of propaganda, to instill fear into your enemy killing 500 tourists and gamblers or killing 500 innocent kids?
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you think you make perfect sense, but you'retotal crap!
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Well, at least I have a sense of humour, sweetheart.
We could start a thread and debate this mistress.
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If I was planning on siezing a school with the intention of killing a lot of people I would need to have full layouts and pick one where I could make the best defence for the atrocity - you would need to understand points of entry, response times, vulnerabilities to snipers, ventilation systems (gas could be used against you like in the theatre siege), school assemblies (when to attack), how many classrooms, structural weaknesses (for bombs), security systems, how old are the children (it is a lot easier to wipe out young kids than high school students, it is also a lot more effective in weakening the will of a population - to show them that if they dont stop then then their children will be murdered, this would then be turned against the government of the day and you would see protests saying that the blood was on their hands) - see where I am going, running through these risks is the only way to be prepared if such a tragedy eventuated, Beslan was an utter failure because the Russians did not have the plans to deal with the attack, there was no lockdown around the school, the heroism shown after the bomb blown is admirable, but the plan itself was half-baked. These groups do not need underground escape tunnels because they are willing to die for their cause and take as many innocent people with them as they can. Beslan is an example of a terror attack - there is no reason that it could not be repeated anywhere else and when information on specific schools start to pop up in such unlikely places I think that it should really get peoples attention.
Your fear is duely noted, but from everything I've gathered about this story none of the information you speak about was on these disks. These plans didn't have these specifics. They were basic floor plans, that's it. Anyone could obtain these. Most weren't even specific to a certain address.
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Yep, that is exactly what the "warning" by the delightful Department of Homeland Security is, NBC. I'm so glad you've finally seen the light.


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IN BRIEF / WASHINGTON, D.C.
No Terrorist Connection in Disk of School Data
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October 9, 2004

Federal officials said there is no terrorist connection to a computer disk found in Iraq that contained information about schools in six states and there is no threat to the schools.

The disk was made by an unidentified Iraqi man who was doing research and had no connections to Al Qaeda or the Iraqi insurgents battling U.S. forces, according to the FBI. The man did have links to the Baath Party that ruled Iraq under Saddam Hussein, but that's true of many former government officials and community leaders.
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