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Old 01-29-2005, 08:50 PM   #31
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U2utah2U, over at U2.com there is a poster by the username of Bonoschin whom I believe is a Mormon.
Aha, I always knew bonoschin was the same person as soul always/u2traveller! When she started acting up over here she reminded me of bonoschin from the old zootopia. Of course she had about 2 dozen alters too
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Old 01-29-2005, 08:51 PM   #32
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My compliments to both U2utah2U and macphisto23 for running this thread. Its a fresh breath of air to this forum to have members of a group / church / etc talking honestly about their own group / church / etc instead of the usual bigots doing the talking for them.

It would be wonderful if we could get some of our Muslim friends to run a similar thread.
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My compliments to both U2utah2U and macphisto23 for running this thread. Its a fresh breath of air to this forum to have members of a group / church / etc talking honestly about their own group / church / etc instead of the usual bigots doing the talking for them.

It would be wonderful if we could get some of our Muslim friends to run a similar thread.
Thank you Beli, and thanks for everyone for not making this a bashing thread!
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I doubt we have any Muslim members If they were of a branch that allowed listening to rock music from westerners, they wouldn't be the kind of person you'd be looking for.
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I doubt we have any Muslim members
I'm almost certain we do. I can think of three likelies off the top of my head.
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I'm just saying if they are into rock music they are not of the right faction to accurately give a perspective of the type of questions we'd want answered. I'm going to stop right here before someone jumps on me. I think you know what I mean. No Al Queda type is going to hanging around a rock music forum
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Of course there are no Al Queda types but that's not Muslim!

There have been many Muslims in here.
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WOW!!!!!

I go away to make dinner for some friends and come back to find that the party has been going on for some time.

Thanks mcphisto23 for jumping in and fielding questions. Where are you from?

I think mcphisto23 did a great job answering the majority of the questions. I'll just add a bit.

- A Jack Mormon is a member of the church that doesn't really follow the commandments. They're usually seen as hypocrits, i.e. somebody that's getting drunk and partying hard Saturday night but is at church come Sunday morning.

- Ward houses are the local church buildings as was explained. Anybody can enter these. There are usually three wards, or congregations per ward building. There are about 8-10 wards per stake. The stake building is slightly larger to accomodate biannual stake conferences.

- Not that this question came up but local church leaders are all "called" on a volunteer basis. We do not have a paid clergy. Each ward or congregation has a bishop. He is a regular guy that works, has a family and also serves in the church. He is a steward over the spiritual and temporal well being of his congregation. This would be akin to a pastor or priest. He has two counselors that aid in his duties. The Relief Society is one of the oldest organizations for women in the United States. The Relief Society president and bishop work together with their counselors and other church members to oversee the temporal well being of the ward members. There are other organizations: The Elders Quorum (for men); Young Men; Young Women and Primary for the children. The current church policy is that every member have a calling or assignment in order to serve in the church. My current calling includes teaching a lesson in Elders Quorum once a month.

- The stake has respective organizations but on a stake level. There is a stake president and two counselors, Stake Relief Society Presidency, Stake Young Men's and Young Women's organizations, etc.

Any way, there are some other levels of organization but the church is guided by a prophet who is the president of the church. He has two counselors that are Apostles. Once called, Apostles and prophets serve for the length of their lives. Then, there is a Quorum of Twelve Apostles. These men are called to be special witnesses of Christ on the earth. We believe that God uses his prophets as a mouthpiece to us, His children. We believe in the same organization of the church that Christ established when after His resurrection, Peter was given charge over the church.

Any way, I could go on with how we believe the authority to govern Christ's church was lost, how and why it was restored but I will simply encourage you to visit mormon.org. All the basic info is there. Then, if you have questions regarding that, come back and "Ask a Mormon."

Thanks for such a friendly open forum. I'm looking forward to more discussions. I admit there are some odd things about us, but I'm sure once you get to know Mormons, you'll see we're just normal people trying to live good, Christian lives.
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I'm just saying if they are into rock music they are not of the right faction to accurately give a perspective of the type of questions we'd want answered. I'm going to stop right here before someone jumps on me. I think you know what I mean. No Al Queda type is going to hanging around a rock music forum
I think there are probably some nutjob Christian factions who wouldn't be caught dead in a rock music forum either. It's doesn't take a nutjob Muslim to answer basic questions about the religion...in fact, I think we'd get better answers from a moderate Muslim than an extremist.
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I doubt we have any Muslim members If they were of a branch that allowed listening to rock music from westerners, they wouldn't be the kind of person you'd be looking for.
I think it's extremely unlikely that a forum of this size has no Muslim members.

And saying that any Muslim who visits this forum "wouldn't be the kind of person you'd be looking for" is about as silly as suggesting any Christian who visits this forum wouldn't be able to answer people's questions about their religion.
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I'm just saying if they are into rock music they are not of the right faction to accurately give a perspective of the type of questions we'd want answered. I'm going to stop right here before someone jumps on me. I think you know what I mean. No Al Queda type is going to hanging around a rock music forum
Beli said it'd be interesting to have a thread where people could ask questions about Islam. That's not the same as a thread where people could ask questions of an "al Qaeda type."
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I asked this question over in the thread this discussion started in so I'm just reposting it here.

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How do you reconcile these two beliefs? I assume by "conservative" you mean the same as other religious conservatives here - ie that homosexuality is sinful, wrong, etc. How do you reconcile this with believing sexual orientation is something which is predetermined and which an individual has no control over?

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I think it's extremely unlikely that a forum of this size has no Muslim members.

And saying that any Muslim who visits this forum "wouldn't be the kind of person you'd be looking for" is about as silly as suggesting any Christian who visits this forum wouldn't be able to answer people's questions about their religion.

SIGH!! Oh man, how can I say this without you jumping my ass- I have already tried to explain it nicely- I think the reason most people want to question a Muslim is because of the beliefs of some of them that are the root of things happening in the world, and I'm saying the type (or sect, branch, what have you) of Muslim who would post here would not be able to answer those questions because they are that that type, because if they like rock and roll and visit a U2 message board, they are different, believe and practice a different way and would not be able to understand or explain the beliefs of the radicals any more than we could. Just as with any religion, there are various factions. So I'm not saying there aren't any people of Islamic faith here, only not the 'type' who would be a part of a belief system and culture to be able to answer the questions because they are not extremists. And don't attack me for being non PC I tried to put it as gently as possible. I'm sure there are also Christian extremists or cultists who would not listen to rock or visit a message board. I mean, somebody can't tell you what they don't know, and someone who would be here is obviously a rock fan so they would not know how it is to be a fundamentalist and would not be able to answer your questions accurately.
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SIGH!! Oh man, how can I say this without you jumping my ass- I have already tried to explain it nicely- I think the reason most people want to question a Muslim is because of the beliefs of some of them that are the root of things happening in the world, and I'm saying the type (or sect, branch, what have you) of Muslim who would post here would not be able to answer those questions because they are that that type, because if they like rock and roll and visit a U2 message board, they are different, believe and practice a different way and would not be able to understand or explain the beliefs of the radicals any more than we could.
There's a lot more to Islam than simply the extremism which is often reported in the media and I'm sure people would have questions about the faith which have nothing to do with violence or extremism. People here have questions about Christianity which go beyond "so do you all think it's okay to bomb family planning clinics?" or "do you all think gay people should be beaten to death?" so it's conceivable that people have questions about Islam other than "so are you all suicide bombing fundamentalists?"
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I have a few more questions, sorry if any of these sound absolutely ridiculous but I know next to nothing about your religion, or indeed about most religions.

1) What do you believe about members of other religions or those who don't believe in any religion? Do you believe yours is the only "true" religion?

2) From looking at the website you recomended it seems you hold a lot of beliefs which are typical of Christianity but I've often heard Christians dismiss Mormons as part of a "cult" or "sect." How would you describe the relationship betwen your religion and other Christian denominations - is it similar to the way that, for example, a Baptist and a Methodist might disagree on some smaller issues but still consider themselves to be part of the same religion, or would you consider yourselves a different religion entirely to other Christian denominations?

3) Here's a quote from the website: "God commanded Lehi to lead a small group of people to the American continent. There they became a great civilization." What was the "great civilization" - is there any sort of evidence or proof of this or is it just accepted as a matter of faith?

4) I've often heard people talking about resources provided by your church for family history research. Why is this important to your religion? (I did look at the webpage about this but the explanation there wasn't very clear.)

That's all for now. Thanks in advance to whoever answers.
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