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Old 03-27-2005, 08:11 PM   #46
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Thanks Stars! I do believe you see things very clearly!
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Old 03-27-2005, 09:06 PM   #47
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Absolutley not. I also don't think things such as homosexuality is sending anyone there either. I probably have liberal views about the concept of hell.
OK, perhaps I got the wrong impression. I gathered you were essentially an evangelical, and in my experience evangelicals believe anyone who hasn't "been saved" on their terms is going to hell.

I'm a religious Jew who spent much of my childhood in a small Southern town. Most of my schoolmates were from evangelical backgrounds, and I was frequently put in the unwelcome position of being expected to provide definitive answers to all sorts of absurd accusations and very rude and ignorant questions about Jews. Although I did make some wonderful (Christian) friends who I've stayed in touch with, it was in general a very hostile environment, and I don't miss it at all.

Partly because of that experience, I do not feel warmly towards Jews For Jesus and their proselytizing relatives. I'm sure evangelical Christians feel similarly towards those self-professed 'Christians' who deny the divinity of Jesus and dismiss the Passion and Resurrection as mythic allegory ('But, I really dig His teachings!'). You can only step so far outside a community's accepted self-definitions before it becomes nonsensical--or worse, exploitative--to call yourself a member.

What I as a religious Jew take offense at is certainly not Jews converting to Christianity--I've lots of atheist and 'Buddhist' Jewish friends, so that would be quite hypocritical--but rather, when said converts exploit ethnic privilege by still presenting themselves as RELIGIOUS Jews, which to me is what the term 'Messianic Jew' suggests. If that is not how you were presenting yourself, then I definitely misunderstood you and would like to apologize.
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Do you like bagels?

Can I still start a thread called Ask the Agnostic Jew, or is it too late?
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What I as a religious Jew take offense at is certainly not Jews converting to Christianity--I've lots of atheist and 'Buddhist' Jewish friends, so that would be quite hypocritical--but rather, when said converts exploit ethnic privilege by still presenting themselves as RELIGIOUS Jews, which to me is what the term 'Messianic Jew' suggests. If that is not how you were presenting yourself, then I definitely misunderstood you and would like to apologize.

I totally understand what you're saying and no that's not what I'm all about.
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Do you like bagels?

Can I still start a thread called Ask the Agnostic Jew, or is it too late?

I love bagels.....


No you can't. Kidding!
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I totally understand what you're saying and no that's not what I'm all about.
Thanks for clarifying. My apologies for the misunderstanding and for jumping to conclusions.

What is your understanding of salvation and its role in spiritual life?
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