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Old 02-04-2005, 10:11 PM   #106
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cydewaze and I will be going to the first Philly show...sounds like there will be a large interference gathering, so hopefully we can all get together.

i certainly hope so. let's make it happen.
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Hey Philk, here's the pic. I hope it posts up ok, I stole it from her journal...Who'da thought a pic like this would make it's way onto the troubled pages of FYM, huh?



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And Doozy, I got you a question, you hussy!!!


But I dont think it's inuendo is appropriate
It's more about the band Bush than anything else...

OK, I'm leaving this thread now
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Hey Philk, here's the pic. I hope it posts up ok, I stole it from her journal...Who'da thought a pic like this would make it's way onto the troubled pages of FYM, huh?









i need to put that back on my desktop.


i have a real post for this thread, i just need to figure out how to word it.
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i was fearful that this would be too self-indulgent, solipsistic, self-centered, etc. i hope it isn't, and please give me a swift smack upside the head if it becomes that way. and i promise to let it die when it has run its course (as all threads do).
There are plenty of threads on Int like that but I don't think this one is like that at all. I'm really enjoying it

Btw, my pick for most beautiful man I've ever seen (famous) is probably Aiden Turner-you can Google him if you'd like and let me know what you think

If this question is too personal, please just say so, I hesitated to ask it for that reason

What is the most hurtful/hateful thing you've ever experienced because you're gay?
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There are plenty of threads on Int like that but I don't think this one is like that at all. I'm really enjoying it

Btw, my pick for most beautiful man I've ever seen (famous) is probably Aiden Turner-you can Google him if you'd like and let me know what you think

If this question is too personal, please just say so, I hesitated to ask it for that reason

What is the most hurtful/hateful thing you've ever experienced because you're gay?

aiden's gorgeous. i wasn't aware of him -- thanks for pointing him out.

this is a pretty anonyous forum -- i am fully prepared to answer any questions, so please do not hesitate. seriously. if you want to ask deeply personal questions, or nuts-and-bolts sex questions, or just want to know my favorite color (hint: not pink), please ask.

as for the question ... i think i need to divide that into 3 categories: the personal, the political, and the social.

the personal: nothing really hateful has ever happened to me. i am a very lucky person, and all of my friends -- really, all -- could care less. on this level, i can happily and honestly say that nothing hateful has ever happened to me because of my seuxal orientation, at least that i'm aware of. of course people have been assholes to me (and i'm sure i've been an asshole at various points), but there is nothing i can link directly back to sexuality.

the political: all this anti-marriage stuff, all the things you hear in the media from the Christian Right ... this really hurts. when you hear your own personal desires lampooned and turned into an object of derision by people who you really have no other option than to call ignorant bigots, it takes a bit of a toll. gay men have enough issues with self esteem to begin with. the whole amendment thing seems downright nasty, almost intentionally cruel, like the playground bully picking on the weak kid, and the teachers not only watching but applauding. seriously: why is it necessary to target a small minority who have already been ravaged by the deadliest disease since the Bubonic Plauge and have endured a history of social ostracism (on the basis of an involuntary characteristic) and who are arguably the most persecuted people on the planet and try and write them out of the Constitution?

the social: once, i got a phone call from someone who i barely knew. we had met out one night, and we exchanged phone numbers, but nothing else. he called me one day saying he really wanted to see me and that we should hang out, etc. i agreed, and within 20 minutes of hanging out at his house he announced that he and his boyfriend had broken up and he was seriously depressed and he was thinking about killing himself. we talked, and talked, and talked ... he was a bit older (35) and had basically left his wife and 2 children to be with this much younger man (23) and couldn't deal with being gay and being without this boyfriend. he kept saying over and over "he said he would never leave me," and i remember trying to explain that 23 year olds might say that but they probably don't mean it. it was a very circular conversation, and looking back, he was probably mentally ill. he was funny, smart, sharp as a tack, not unattractive, and utterly incapable of seeing beyond the absent boyfriend. it was extremely dramatic. he said that they'd been exchanging vicious voice mails, the two of them, and that the younger boyfriend wasn't out to his parents, but he called the mother and started screaming at him that she was killing her son because she was religously opposed to homosexuality, etc. he said that the mother started crying, saying "my perfect son is gone." the boyfriend called back, yelled at this person for yelling at his mother, etc.

it was pretty fucked up.

i remember we got to a point where he assured me he wouldn't kill himself, and that he was going to head to the airport and head down to a southern city (where he was orignally from, and where the boyfriend lived). he got to this point by reassuring himself that, "i think we're gonna get back together." which seemed weird to me -- he couldn't get beyond that, he was infatuated with that. anyway, it had been raining the whole time, and as we waited on the sidewalk for the taxi to pick him up, the clouds started to part and the sun came out. the cab came, we hugged, and he went off. as it took a left turn at the end of the block and drove out of sight, i remember looking up at the sky and seeing a rainbow.

i called him: "look up in the sky, there's a rainbow."
him: "oh my god. it's so beautiful."
me: "take it as a sign. things are going to get better. you're going to be okay."
him: "you're right. it is all going to be okay."

i didn't hear from him the next day. the day after that, i called his cell phone and asked him to call me to tell me how how he was doing. i got nervous, did some frantic internet searching.

and i found his obituary.

had i not been gay, had he not been gay, this would never have happened.

homophobia kills.
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cydewaze and I will be going to the first Philly show...sounds like there will be a large interference gathering, so hopefully we can all get together.

sounds great. i'm totally in.
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Amsterdam. Wow. I went there with my family because my mother's side is Dutch and our family friends there led us through the red light district to get to this church I think it was called Ode Kerk. Sureal experience man. Good times though. The Anne Frank house gave me chills. You should make your way to Ireland next. I think I felt something similar to what you felt in Italy. I don't think there's words to describe it – if there are, I'm sure Yeats could tell us. The Celtic music may be an even better description of the land. (I understand your Sigur Ros refernce to their environment.) Who did you travel with?

i'm very excited to one day get to Ireland. i think i didn't make a point of going when i lived over there because i always assumed that i'd of course get to ireland, and that i should make an effort to go to countries that are a bit harder to get to from the US (i.e., Estonia).

i traveled alone through Eastern Europe and did the backpacker thing, and was with friends for most of my other trips. i was very lucky at two points -- when i was in Denmark, i had my friend's Danish family to stay with, and when i was in Slovenia, i had another friend's Slovenian family to stay with. and when i was in Morocco, i had a friend's Moroccan boyfriend to show us around. knowing a native makes a HUGE difference.

what was also funny was in Morocco, i was traveling with a female. naturally, everyone assumed we were married, which was funny on several levels. at hotels, we'd always ask for two beds, though, and i'd get the craziest looks from the hotel owners -- looks that said, "man, what did you do to get her so pissed of at you?"

ah, good times.
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Thanks for that Irvine, I'm so sorry about your friend Thanks for being so open about answering my question

On a much lighter note, Aiden is on a soap opera, All My Children I went on an online chat w/ him once and he's very nice. He seems very nice in general. He's British. He's engaged. I'm slightly obsessed w/ him He'd never look twice at me but it's fun to obsess about him nonetheless
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Thanks for that Irvine, I'm so sorry about your friend Thanks for being so open about answering my question

On a much lighter note, Aiden is on a soap opera, All My Children I went on an online chat w/ him once and he's very nice. He seems very nice in general. He's British. He's engaged. I'm slightly obsessed w/ him He'd never look twice at me but it's fun to obsess about him nonetheless

could i ask you, or the mods, to drop his name? i just edited my post.

sorry to be paranoid, but you never know.


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can we all admire hugh jackmans's arms for a minute?

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sorry Irvine, I didn't mean anything by that

I would have edited it if I had been on here when you asked
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And Doozy, I got you a question, you hussy!!!


But I dont think it's inuendo is appropriate
It's more about the band Bush than anything else...

OK, I'm leaving this thread now




I once saw a bumper sticker that said "Lesbians against Bush".

It's just not right!
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sorry Irvine, I didn't mean anything by that

I would have edited it if I had been on here when you asked

no worries -- i typed the name myself, then thought better of it.

thanks.-
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How long were you a swimmer?

When did you start? What took you out of the sport?

Are swim meets as boring for swimmers as they are for the parents?
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