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Old 02-22-2006, 11:41 AM   #451
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Do you currently have a partner? How long have you been together?



i don't have a partner (a term i use interchangably with spouse) but i do have a boyfriend. we've been together for a little over 6 months and it is, easily, the best and most emotionally rewarding relationship i've ever been in.


[q]I guess I fit in with the U-Haul joke becuase when I came out to my family I ended up moving in with who is now my Fiancee because yay for discrimination against your own daughter, and all that jazz.[/q]






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Very good topic for a thread. Glad to see another gay U2 fan

i think U2 appeals to lots of gay fans -- they speak a very unversalist language, they've never been aggressively heterosexual (or chauvinistic) like many rock bands, they have dabbled in homoeroticism, "Boy" is one of the great "queer" albums (who remembers that thread from EYKIW? ugh ...), "one" is one of the great gay equality songs, and Popmart was clearly influenced by the gay club scene.

i also think Bono would be a perfect template for any Drag King.
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a perfect template for any Drag King.
I've heard of drag queens, but what's a drag king?
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I've heard of drag queens, but what's a drag king?


women, usually lesbians, who dress up as famous male singers -- Elvis tends to be popular.
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You know, I don't really know. It amazes me that there is such separation between gays and lesbians. We are all fighting for the same causes. I actually have a few gay men as very good friends but it is mostly through church and since they happen to be in the minority, they get along with the lesbians. But out in the real world, you still find your boy bars and girl bars and its very rare that the worlds collide.

Its a sad reality and I wish I knew why.
Can I quote one of my favorite books?

" ' I watch protests and rallies from across the street. And part of me feels so connected to you all, but I don't know if I'm welcome to join. There's lots of us who are on the outside and we don't want to be. We're getting busted and beaten up. We're dying out here. We need you-but you need us, too.
I don't know what it would take to really change the world. But couldn't we get together and try to figure it out? Couldn't the WE be bigger? Isn't there a way we could help fight each other's battles so that we're not always alone?'"

That is a speech made by the character Jess in Leslie Feinberg's "Stone Butch Blues."

Oh, I have a question:
You have said that you hate the word "faggot" and that no gay character in literature is worth mentioning. Am I to assume then that you're not a fan of Larry Kramer's "Faggots"?
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Oh, I have a question:
You have said that you hate the word "faggot" and that no gay character in literature is worth mentioning. Am I to assume then that you're not a fan of Larry Kramer's "Faggots"?


no, you should not assume that.

simply because one deplores a word when used as a slur does not mean that the word should never be spoken. in fact, the worst thing you could do would be to ignore the existence of such slurs (along with the N-word, the C-word, or whatever else) and not discuss them and then hopefully dismantle their power.

i am not terribly familiar with "Faggots" or with Larry Kramer, so i really can't comment on either.
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I hear ya.
Faggots is a satiric and critical novel about the "gay lifestyle" in New York city immediately following Stonewall (around the 1970s). Larry Kramer is a prolific writer who will probably be remembered best as the organizer of ACT UP!
As with all satirical works, this novel is really controversial because he really is criticizing the middle to upper class white gay male who tried to fuck as many as he could. The main character claims to be on this journey towards love - he's determined to find it - but, he takes what he can get, cause it's all that he can find, but he knows there something more to use our boys' words.

Thanks for this thread. I know I'm just echoing what others have already said, but thanks anyway. It's thus far been a funny and still insightful thread.

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no, you should not assume that.

simply because one deplores a word when used as a slur does not mean that the word should never be spoken. in fact, the worst thing you could do would be to ignore the existence of such slurs (along with the N-word, the C-word, or whatever else) and not discuss them and then hopefully dismantle their power.

i am not terribly familiar with "Faggots" or with Larry Kramer, so i really can't comment on either.
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I hear ya.
Faggots is a satiric and critical novel about the "gay lifestyle" in New York city immediately following Stonewall (around the 1970s). Larry Kramer is a prolific writer who will probably be remembered best as the organizer of ACT UP!


he's the bald guy with the overalls, right?

i've heard him mentioned in context in various queer articles and criticism that i've encountered, but i really can't comment on him specifically, except that i know he's a polarizing figure -- no one has a mild opinion on him, either way, it seems.

maybe i will check it out.
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yeah he's extreme, but I think he's a fantastic writer and he cares about people.
Anyways, I've got another set of questions.
Do you feel that media portrayals of homosexuals are at all fair and realistic? Or, are homosexuals still by and large used as the "funny" characters?
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Kramer sounds sort of like Andrea Dworkin's queer soul brother.
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Kramer sounds sort of like Andrea Dworkin's queer soul brother.


an, Andrea Dworkin -- a woman so left that she and the right found places of commonality (no porn! ever! )
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an, Andrea Dworkin -- a woman so left that she and the right found places of commonality (no porn! ever! )
hmm, well kushner's Faggots contain portions that feel like erotic fiction.
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Bump.

A good read this one is..
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hmm, well kushner's Faggots contain portions that feel like erotic fiction.
damn, why do i always confuse Kushner and Kramer? Just because they're both gay jewish writers?
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