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Old 06-17-2005, 06:30 AM   #376
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wow. that sounds really unfair to me

I have a really dumb question, and I dont remember it being asked before so here goes.
Is it possible, if a man is attracted to other men, and he himself is attractive to actually find himself to be a turn on?
I know that sounds kind of weird but Im really wondering


actually, that's not a dumb question at all.

for me, i would never look at my naked self in the mirror and get aroused. i don't know anyone who would.

however, what i do think can happen, is because you possess, as it were, what you desire sexually (and not just genitalia, but the whole male form), i think this can often show itself in the somewhat obsessive gay male hygene and fitness regime. most gay men are, firstly, very well groomed, and more often than not, in very good shape. it's kind of odd -- whenever i leave DC, or any urban area with a significant gay population, i find myself thinking, "where did all these fat people come from? and just who told them that wearing tapered jeans was a good idea?!?!?!"

i mean that with humor and love, but there's a kernal of truth there. some of this has to do with being urban. i would say that one of the more obvious traits of the urban dwellers of most of the major cities is that, 1) people tend to be much thinner, and 2) people tend to spend more time and money being in style and looking their best.

this is not to say that looking good is, in and of itself, a virtue; however, i do think the urban lifestyle, which often involves lots of walking, is a generally good thing.

now, if we could just do something about the air quality ...

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at one point, someone asked about what famous people were gay. i came across this list, which i'll post below, but it's important to note that these are people who might not have identified as gay, but they were known to have same-sex experiences, or perhaps were closeted, or perhaps were bisexual. essentially, these are people claimed by the BGL community (Bi, Gay, Lesbian) as members of the "family":



Alexander the Great
*Macedonian Ruler, 300 B.C.
Socrates
*Greek Philosopher, 400 B.C.
Sappho
*Greek Woman Poet, 600 B.C.
Hadrian
*Roman Emperor, 1st-2nd c.
Richard the Lionhearted
*English King, 12th c.
Saladin
*Sultan of Egypt and Syria
Desiderius Erasmus
*Dutch Monk, Philosopher
Francis Bacon
*English statesman, author
Frederick the Great
*King of Prussia
Lord Byron
*English poet, 18th c.
Walt Whitman
*U.S. poet, author, 19th c.
Oscar Wilde
*Irish author, 19th c.
Marcel Proust
*French author, 20th c.
Colette
*French author, 20th c.
Gertrude Stein
*U.S. poet, author, 20th c.
Alice B. Toklas
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Federico Garcia Lorca
*Spanish author, 20th c.
Cole Porter
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Virginia Woolf
*English author, 20th c.
Leonard Bernstein
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Pope Julius III
*1550-1555
T.E. Lawrence
*English soldier, author, 20th c.
Jean Cocteau
*French writer, director, 20th c.
Charles Laughton
*English actor, 20th c.
Marguerite Yourcenar
*Belgian author, 20th c.
Tennessee Williams
*U.S. Playwright, 20th c.
James Baldwin
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Andy Warhol
*U.S. artist, 20th c.
Michelangelo
*Italian artist, 15th c.
Leonardo Da Vinci
*Ital. Artist, scientist, 15th c.
Christopher Marlowe
*Eng. Playwright, 16th c.
Herman Melville
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Horatio Alger, Jr.
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Tchaikovsky
*Russian composer, 19th c.
Willa Cather
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Amy Lowell
*U.S. author, 19th & 20th c.
E.M. Forster
*English author, 20th c.
John M. Keynes
*English economist, 20th c.
Ludwig Wittgenstein
*Australian mathematician, 20th c.
Bessie Smith
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Noel Coward
*English playwright, 20th c.
Christopher Isherwood
*English author, 20th c.
Pier Paolo Pasolini
*Italian film director, 20th c.
Yukio Mishima
*Japanese author, 20th c.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*U.S. stateswoman, 20th c.
Julius Caesar
*Roman Emperor, 100-44 B.C.
Augustus Caesar
*Roman Emperor
Harvey Milk
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Bayard Rustin
*U.S. Civil Rights activist, 20th c.
James I
*English King, 16th-17th c.
Queen Anne
*English Queen, 18th c.
Marie Antoinette
*French Empress, 18th c.
Melissa Etheridge
*U.S. Rock Star, 20th c.
Pope Benedict IX
*1032-1044
May Sarton
*U.S. author, (1912 - 1995)
Edna Ferber
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Elton John
*English Rock Star, 20th c.
Margaret Fuller
*U.S. writer, educator, 20th c.
Montezuma II
*Aztec ruler, 16th c.
Peter the Great
*Russian Czar, 17th-18th c.
Langston Hughes
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Pope John XII
*955-964
Madame de Stael
*French writer, 17th-18th c.
Martina Navratilova
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Greg Louganis
*U.S. Olympic swimmer, 20th c.
Billie Jean King
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Roberta Achtenburg
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Barney Frank
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Gerry Studds
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Hans Christian Andersen
*Danish author, 19th c.
Tom Dooley
*U.S. M.D. missionary, 20th c.
J. Edgar Hoover
*U.S. director of the FBI., 20th c.
Frida Kahlo
*Mexican artist, 20th c.
Suleiman the Magnificent
*Ottoman ruler, 15th c.
Rock Hudson
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
*Mexican author, 16th c.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Candace Gingrich
*Gay Rights activist, 20th c.
Margarethe Cammermeyer
*U.S. Army Colonel, 20th c.
Zoe Dunning
*U.S. Military Reservist, 20th c.
Tom Waddel
*U.S. M.D., Olympic star, 20th c.
Kate Millet
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Janis Joplin
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Rudolf Nuryev
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Waslaw Nijinsky
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Ernst Röhm
*German Nazi leader, 20th c.
Dag Hammerskjold
*Swedish UN Secretary, 209th c.
Aristotle
*Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.
Paula Gunn Allen
*Native American author, 20th c.
Angela Davis
*U.S. political activist, 20th c.
June Jordan
*U.S. author, activist, 20th c.
Rainer Maria Rilke
*German poet, 20th c.
James Dean
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Montgomery Clift
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Baron VonSteuben
*German General, Valley Forge
Edward II
*English King, 14th c.
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I know it's not supposed to be a "complete" list, but isn't Michael Stipe gay? I think he said so in an interview.
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I know it's not supposed to be a "complete" list, but isn't Michael Stipe gay? I think he said so in an interview.


as far as i know, yes. he went through an "i'm bisexual" stage, then an "i'm a queer artist" stage, and now i think he's just simply gay.

so is the singer for Husker Du -- Bob Mould.

he also lives in DC these days, sort of a cult figure.
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actually, that's not a dumb question at all.

for me, i would never look at my naked self in the mirror and get aroused. i don't know anyone who would.

however, what i do think can happen, is because you possess, as it were, what you desire sexually (and not just genitalia, but the whole male form), i think this can often show itself in the somewhat obsessive gay male hygene and fitness regime. most gay men are, firstly, very well groomed, and more often than not, in very good shape. it's kind of odd -- whenever i leave DC, or any urban area with a significant gay population, i find myself thinking, "where did all these fat people come from? and just who told them that wearing tapered jeans was a good idea?!?!?!"

i mean that with humor and love, but there's a kernal of truth there. some of this has to do with being urban. i would say that one of the more obvious traits of the urban dwellers of most of the major cities is that, 1) people tend to be much thinner, and 2) people tend to spend more time and money being in style and looking their best.

this is not to say that looking good is, in and of itself, a virtue; however, i do think the urban lifestyle, which often involves lots of walking, is a generally good thing.

now, if we could just do something about the air quality ...

Thanks for the response!
It was something I always wondered about but was afraid to ask any of my gay friends
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wow, I had no idea james dean was gay!
Was gregory peck on there?
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Re Edgar Hoover, hmmm, interesting. I read that he never married, lived with his mother until well into adulthood, and afterwards shared a house with one of his (male) staff. Indicative, certainly.

Plus Nixon is on record as saying that a number of people in his administrations were gay, but that may not have been referring to Hoover as such.
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wow, I had no idea james dean was gay!
Was gregory peck on there?


i don't think Dean would have identified as gay, but he was known to have been bisexual and had relationships with men (and with women).

and if you look at Rebel W/out A Cause, there's tons of coded language in the film.
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Re Edgar Hoover, hmmm, interesting. I read that he never married, lived with his mother until well into adulthood, and afterwards shared a house with one of his (male) staff. Indicative, certainly.

Plus Nixon is on record as saying that a number of people in his administrations were gay, but that may not have been referring to Hoover as such.


he was also a cross-dresser.

though most transvestites are usually straight, but whatever.

and let's not forget Roy Cohn!!!
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i don't think Dean would have identified as gay, but he was known to have been bisexual and had relationships with men (and with women).

and if you look at Rebel W/out A Cause, there's tons of coded language in the film.
he was definitely a beautiful man
He kind of has that same "look" as jude law
The gayish look
thats not an offensive term is it?
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as far as i know, yes. he went through an "i'm bisexual" stage, then an "i'm a queer artist" stage, and now i think he's just simply gay.

so is the singer for Husker Du -- Bob Mould.

he also lives in DC these days, sort of a cult figure.
I'm not familar with the band.

On a related note: Rob Halford of Judas Priest.

Rob comes out, heavy metal world expresses shock / astonishment.

Rest of world goes - "er, yes, wasn't it obvious (given what he used to wear on stage,)"
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he was definitely a beautiful man
He kind of has that same "look" as jude law
The gayish look
thats not an offensive term is it?

naw, not offensive.

as you can tell, i love Jude. and James as well.

though i find them more beautiful than outright sexy. for sexiness, i tend to go for the more virile types; but when we're thinking of male beauty, James and Jude are at the top of my list.

if you say someone looks "gay" because, well, they look gay, that's fine; however, to say that something is "gay" when you mean that something is "stupid" (in the 5th grade "that's so gay!" context), then that's a bit offensive. but, really, it's more embarassing for the individual who thinks that "gay" is an appropriate term for, like, a bad movie.
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yeah I never understood the term "thats so gay"
What the hell does it mean?
When I say somebody looks gay I basically mean they're sort of.... pretty. male beauty
I called my fiance beautiful once and he looked at me funny
So who do you classify as virile hot?
Bono?
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yeah I never understood the term "thats so gay"
What the hell does it mean?
When I say somebody looks gay I basically mean they're sort of.... pretty. male beauty
I called my fiance beautiful once and he looked at me funny
So who do you classify as virile hot?
Bono?


bono is sexy, in a kind of jesus-in-a-leather-jacket-look-into-my-blue-eyes-and-i-will-reveal-the-secrets-of-the-universe kind of way.

virile hot ... Russel Crowe (when he's not throwing telephones); Clive Owen; Denzel Washington; young Paul Newman; young Marlon Brando; Djimon Honsu; Bruce Willis, on occasion.

that's just a general list ... but that kind of type, and it seems that male movie stars tend to be more "pretty" than "sexy" ... in fact, i find your average man sexier, sometimes, than the sometimes otherworldly beauty of Jude Law. for me, sexiness has the possibility of accessibility, the idea that one day you could have that person, and their availability makes them that much more attractive.
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bono is sexy, in a kind of jesus-in-a-leather-jacket-look-into-my-blue-eyes-and-i-will-reveal-the-secrets-of-the-universe kind of way.

Yeah that just about sums it all up for me
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