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Old 09-01-2004, 10:37 AM   #16
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I personally don't think that term, "girlie men" is in the best of taste. Just a personal preference. Your mileage may vary.
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Ok, seriously now. "Girlie men" is not the best line to use in the political arena. It borders on childish, it's rather silly, and it's just one of those lines that you think in your head, "this might be funny . . . but it's just probably not a good idea."

Still, I don't think it's something to throw a fit about. It's a reference to an old comedy sketch that was making fun of Ahhnold in the first place. He's just making a poor attempt at humor. If you don't like it (which unfortunately may have a lot to do with your political stance ), rolls your eyes and move on.

There's a lot bigger things in the world to worry about than whether or not "girlie men" is offensive. Let's not miss the forest for the trees, people.

And Dave, maybe you should try to spend some time around Ahhnold, you just might get your wish.
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O.K. folks...lets start at the very beginning.

It is was great how the networks would should Maria after every remark he made about the Democrats - and she sat there like this: And she made a comment to her son after his first comment..I really wish I was a better lip reader.

BUT, the bigger issue...this guy said he joined the party because of Richard Nixon (and he was applauded). I guess if you WANT to be associated with that political sore point in American history...great.

Arnold brings a great "entertainment" factor to the Republican party. He was a good person to have speak...the political conventions are there to rally the voters, and Arnold is one who can do that.


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Damn, I was busy watching paint dry
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Old 09-01-2004, 11:37 AM   #20
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BUT, the bigger issue...this guy said he joined the party because of Richard Nixon (and he was applauded). I guess if you WANT to be associated with that political sore point in American history...great.
I was thinking the same thing. Nixon? Do you really want to go there?

I just can't believe no one has commented on how he compared the democrats to communists. "Girlie men" gets 2 pages within a matter of hours, but "I heard Humphrey (democratic presidential candidate of '68) saying things that sounded like socialism which is what I had just left" gets nothing. Strange.
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It's all about the sound bite. Arnold won.
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There's a lot bigger things in the world to worry about than whether or not "girlie men" is offensive. Let's not miss the forest for the trees, people.

change the world "girlie" with something racially slanted and you would see everyone complaining about it. But it's ok to ignore comments that degrade women.

You don't have to have a rally over it, but people should understand exactly the message Arnold's statement sends: anyone who acts like a woman is wimpy, stupid and laughable. Excuse me for expecting more from state leaders.
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I just can't believe no one has commented on how he compared the democrats to communists. "Girlie men" gets 2 pages within a matter of hours, but (I paraphrase) "the democratic views sounded like the communist ideas I just left behind" gets nothing. Strange.
there's so much to complain about in that "speech"!

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whoops. i tried to fix my previous comment by putting in the exact quote from Ahhnold and i made a new post. ignore.
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I just can't believe no one has commented on how he compared the democrats to communists. "Girlie men" gets 2 pages within a matter of hours, but "I heard Humphrey (democratic presidential candidate of '68) saying things that sounded like socialism which is what I had just left." gets nothing. Strange.
That REALLY pissed me off. As a "former" DFL'er (a Minnesota Humphrey Democrat...the Democrats in Minnesota call themselves "Democratic Farmer Labor" party) - I really resented that comment. Despite what was going on in 1968 in Chicago, I feel that we would be much better of now if Humphrey was in office instead of tricky Dick!
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I'm sorry olive, but I just don't see how in the context of the original SNL skit, this phrase is offensive to women. The skit was funny because it was portraying the arrogant and ridiculous attitudes of these fictional German bodybuilders. It's not meant to be taken seriously, and Arnold was just playing off of that, especially since the characters were built off of him.

Without that context, yes, it is offensive. To imply that women are whiny, weak, or inferior is unacceptable. But I just don't think that's what happened here.
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You don't have to have a rally over it, but people should understand exactly the message Arnold's statement sends: anyone who acts like a woman is wimpy, stupid and laughable.
Is that really the message it sends? I don't see it (or even remotely believe it).

If so, where was the outrage when Hanz and Franz used the phrase repeatedly?
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If so, where was the outrage when Hanz and Franz used the phrase repeatedly?
NBC, join me on my couch and have a french fry :

I think there is a stark difference when someone uses these terms in a sketch comedy, and when someone uses it as an elected politician as a rally cry.

How can you NOT see the difference?
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I think there is a stark difference when someone uses these terms in a sketch comedy, and when someone uses it as an elected politician as a rally cry.
Rally cry? I think that's a bit dramatic. I don't remember anyone chanting "Girlie men! Girlie men! Girlie men!"

It wasn't a good idea. I'll always admit that. I just think that all people (including politicians) should have the right to make a humorous reference to pop culture without everyone taking offense. There were plenty of things to rip apart about Arnold's speech last night. This just wasn't one of them.
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Arnold was using something called humor in his speech. He was not redefining gender rolls based on economic policy.
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