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Old 01-05-2004, 11:06 PM   #1
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Army of God/"Christian Terrorism"

Salon published this excerpt from an essay about Clay Waagner, a "Christian terrorist" convicted of murder for killing a doctor who performed abortions. Wondering what y'all thought of this.

You can read the whole essay here:

http://www.armyofgod.com/MatthewKachinis.html

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In "The Quiet Fall of an American Terrorist," Frederick Clarkson rightly identified Clay Waagner, Eric Rudolph and James Kopp as Christian terrorists. In the article, Ellie Smeal, the president of the Feminist Majority Foundation, notes that "the investigative work that would lead you to the next one [Christian terrorist] is falling short" and that there are people still at large "who aided and abetted Kopp and Rudolph." Does Mrs. Smeal mean to put in jail all those who believe in and/or acted upon the defensive-action doctrine? This brings the prediction of the conspiracy theorists one step closer to reality.

The federal Department of Justice's "war on terror" will be waged against not only Muslims in foreign nations, but also Christian terrorists in our homeland. Both the Holy Bible and Koran condemn baby murder and homosexuality as capital crimes, and the radical elements of both religions are willing to do more than talk to resist the societal promotion of these crimes. While the foreign terrorists resist the imposition of the U.S./U.N. charter, which promotes "population control" (abortion) and "diversity" (homosexuality), the domestic Christian terrorist simply resists the law of the land, which promotes and often subsidizes abortion and homosexuality.

"There was a time in 2001," notes Clarkson, "when for the first time in history three of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted criminals were antiabortion domestic terrorists." What a sad commentary this is! The days of womb children murderers being found on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list is over. We have devolved. Indeed the wicked should be terrified of good men. Unrepentant baby murderers, sodomites, adulterers, man stealers, pedophiles, rapists and the like should indeed cringe in the shadows at the presence of a God-fearing man, even as they would cringe before Jesus, because they are to act as his body on earth, receiving him as their Governor.

I have heard it said that Christian terrorist Clay Waagner did some things wrong during his 10-month reign of terror and that he does not deserve hero status because he was a bank robber and a car thief. But it should also be noted that this bank-robbing, car-thieving terrorist is directly responsible for saving the lives of 5,000 innocent babies. What great things have brother Clay Waagner's detractors done to qualify them to stand in judgment of his deeds? Prudence would suggest we leave his wartime actions for God to judge and give honor to whom honor is due -- and for those who don't believe a war is going on, it's only because you don't hear their screams. Chalk up another hallelujah and a hip, hip, hooray for the Christian who terrorized the entire nation's abortion industry without firing a shot.

"How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers." Isa 1:21 (KJV)

The wicked civilian and the federal government appear to be co-conspirators in their coup to overthrow Christ and his people. For the most part the wicked are no longer terrified of the God-fearing man. Those blessed few that actually do terrify the wicked are vigorously denounced and punished by the government "of the people." I often weep over the persecution of the Christian terrorist in this country, for their oppression accomplishes three goals. First, it comforts and strengthens the wicked. Second, it discourages the would-be Christian terrorist from action. Third, it makes the Christian terrorist feel alone in his cause.

Most of the time when I leave the killing place my self-esteem diminishes, as I have failed where others have succeeded. Pleading, politics and pandering have done precious little to stop the holocaust against the innocent. But the Christian terrorist is not so inadequate. Dead abortionists don't kill babies, and a fire-bombed death camp can no longer facilitate the holocaust against them.

As cream rises to the top, so the Christian terrorist rises above the huddled masses of churchgoers and the many voices that denounce their violent attempts to defend the innocent from their murderous assailants.


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Old 01-06-2004, 12:55 AM   #2
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it's one of the biggest problems I am with some aspects of christian culture...ultra conservative christians anyhow who continually point to "an eye for an eye"...or the wrath of God in the old testement

it's scary what people will do in the name of God.

Lately I've read a lot about Jesus in both christian and secular sources and more than ever in my life I have grown to love that guy!!
Nothing short of amazing.
I read one article saying that Jesus was a feminist, and it is probably true, especially for the time he live in.

and he was incredibly forgiving and caring...no wonder so many people loved him to death and others hated him to death, literally.

the point is, christians are supposed to live by the example of Jesus. He didn't condemn the prostitues, the adulterer, or the murderer...he offered them help or hope.

for all the bad rap Christians have gotten, I surely hope none of it has rubbed off on people perspective of Jesus cos if everyone was like him this would be a perfect world
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Wonderfully said...

Two often horrible act's have been committed in the name of some religion or God.. Those who believe in th ultra wrath of God thought..

First of all God is about love... secondly God does not need our help.. he wants us to help each other .. thus the Golden Rule
" Love thy Neighbour"

As I man named Bono once said I have not lost faith in God, just a little in religion and the church..

Also it so bothers me how these extemist whatever they are .. to often blacken the eye of christianity .. there is much more examples of good then the bad fortunately in the world.. Bono would hate to be used as an example .. but I believe one of the finest examples of a humanitarian..

The story of jesus itself is very humbling .. from his birth in the manger to his last moments .. to his sacrifice. Unfortunately to often people take scripture to literally ( like an eye for an eye) and they loose the moral behind it ..

I would never claim to be a good example of chistianity but I do attempt to live up to "Love thy neighbour " as the golden rule .. and i try to live in a way that is in step with what god has blessed.. somedays are better then others for me .

Johnny Cash ( a great man) said this " You get up every day and you either chose love , or you chose hate"

But yes it is scary what people will carry out in the name of God
I don't understand it and god lord willing I never will..
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I agree, it scares the heck out of me what people will do in the name of Jesus. I am a Christian. We are supposed to be as much like Jesus as is possible. That means loving, forgiving, and helping, not condemnation, and certainly *not* killing. These people represent Christianity about like Osama bin Laden represents Islam. Eric Rudolph is on trial right here in Birmingham for blowing up an abortion clinic. I vividly remember the day of the atrocity.
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it's one of the biggest problems I am with some aspects of christian culture...ultra conservative christians anyhow who continually point to "an eye for an eye"...or the wrath of God in the old testement

it's scary what people will do in the name of God.
It sure is. God has got to be pretty upset with some of his followers right now.

It's like a person I knew said once: "I honestly think God's a good person. He just has very bad PR people."

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Lately I've read a lot about Jesus in both christian and secular sources and more than ever in my life I have grown to love that guy!!
Nothing short of amazing.
I read one article saying that Jesus was a feminist, and it is probably true, especially for the time he live in.
Really? That's an interesting theory.

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and he was incredibly forgiving and caring...no wonder so many people loved him to death and others hated him to death, literally.

the point is, christians are supposed to live by the example of Jesus. He didn't condemn the prostitues, the adulterer, or the murderer...he offered them help or hope.
Exactly right (man, he has an easier time forgiving a murderer than me......).

And that's what pro-lifers need to be doing, instead of judging these women who have abortions (until they're in these girls' shoes, or imagine themselves in their position, who are they to harass a girl for making that choice?), or going and blowing up the clinics (yeah, uh, way to stand by your pro-life beliefs, morons ...).

Even though they personally do not support abortion, they need to be willing to help these women through whatever tough times they experience.

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for all the bad rap Christians have gotten, I surely hope none of it has rubbed off on people perspective of Jesus cos if everyone was like him this would be a perfect world
Indeed. I also agree with Katey and verte (you remember the day of that bombing, eh? ...)

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i heard a piece of a wolf blitzer year in review special on a local ottawa all news radio station (580 cfra, cnn affiliate). amidst his recaps of the war on terror and captured terrorists, eric rudolph was described as a 'suspected serial bomber'.
i had to chuckle.
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Gotta love how the word terrorist is in the large limited to people who aren't white.
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Gotta love how the word terrorist is in the large limited to people who aren't white.
That's right. Why in hell's name don't Europeans have to go through the same security procedures in our airports that people from other continents go through? Eric Rudolph is white, needless to say. The "Shoe-Bomber", Richard Reid, is a Brit. There are terrorist cells in Europe and most people in Asia, Africa, etc, etc, are not terrorists by any stretch of the imagination. This policy doesn't make me feel safer. Dammit, take out the exemptions and keep *terrorists* out of here, not Muslims or Arabs.
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That's right. Why in hell's name don't Europeans have to go through the same security procedures in our airports that people from other continents go through? Eric Rudolph is white, needless to say. The "Shoe-Bomber", Richard Reid, is a Brit. There are terrorist cells in Europe and most people in Asia, Africa, etc, etc, are not terrorists by any stretch of the imagination. This policy doesn't make me feel safer. Dammit, take out the exemptions and keep *terrorists* out of here, not Muslims or Arabs.
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Even though they personally do not support abortion, they need to be willing to help these women through whatever tough times they experience.
True. I'd have a lot more respect for certain pro-life groups if they spent a little less of their time standing outside family planning clinics waving graphic posters at anyone who passes by, and a little more of their time actually offering alternatives to women who are considering having an abortion.
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True. I'd have a lot more respect for certain pro-life groups if they spent a little less of their time standing outside family planning clinics waving graphic posters at anyone who passes by, and a little more of their time actually offering alternatives to women who are considering having an abortion.
Actually, for every group waving their graphic signs, there are dozens of ministries designed to assist women who have unplanned pregnancies.
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Nbc,
I know that. It's why my post mentioned "certain pro-life groups" rather than generalising about all pro-life groups.
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True. I'd have a lot more respect for certain pro-life groups if they spent a little less of their time standing outside family planning clinics waving graphic posters at anyone who passes by, and a little more of their time actually offering alternatives to women who are considering having an abortion.
Yeah. And since they insist on adoption, maybe they could offer to adopt when the woman has her baby, or they could recommend some good family friends of theirs that she could give the baby to, or things like that. Much more effective.

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