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Old 01-26-2004, 10:24 AM   #46
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sue4u2
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moot point!


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I have lost both my ability to spell and edit this weekend.
i have no ability to spell either, and i'm glad you're laughing and didn't take my rant smilies seriously, cos i really wasn't horribly pissed off.
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Old 01-26-2004, 11:36 AM   #47
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Interesting how you've labelled some as jumping to conclusions, when you yourself have prematurely made assumptions without reading, or comprehending the content of responses.

Stop thinking about this as an existential investigation with some ethereally applicable benefit... your attempts to frustrate the charged denizens of this forum has reached its peak of redundancy. The simple fact is, you designed a question with an intent that failed because it was executed poorly. The intent? Left vague because of the process... most likely to emphasize brevity, and a clarity of argument. A stipulation against the defending of your position? Admirable... but lack of accountability is dangerous, and can lead to Austrian Gubernatorial-elects.

If this question has nothing to do with conformity (spelled with an r in most dialects) then obviously you didn't closely read my "better than" proclamation...

Judging by my mechanics discourse... methinks I read YOUR posts in a thorough enough manner...


You're assuming that I haven't read or understood what you or others have said.

You're also assuming that there is an intent.

The point of this thread is not to analyze why I started it, but to analyze the 'question' and respond with an answer.

Are you frustrated?
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I think many are frustrated with the grading of our responses.
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Old 01-27-2004, 05:20 AM   #49
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You're also assuming that there is an intent.

Are you frustrated?
You haven't presented anything vexing as of yet...

Intent is an investment. It requires thought and preparation, and a regard for the context within which an idea or question is presented. Intent requires pre-meditation... and a subsequent provocation to acquire a desired result.

Assumptions removed: you claim that there is a reasonable answer since you've labelled some statements as converse. By seeking a favourable answer you've not only attached value to a desired response, but... believe it or not... you've imposed purpose on your thread; Intent has been issued.

However, after submitting various messages that enforce the direction of the thread (and the misdirection of others), you destroy its purpose by claiming that there is no intent. Since there's no intent, there's no plausible answer within the realm of reason, art, philosophy, or any other form of human communication; all respective forms have scripts that engage and evaluate by intent. It is by default, not applicable.

It seems this has been quite the precarious venture for yourself. Creating a thread without considering the consequence, direction, or purpose, whilst at the same time violating your own forum code of conduct to emphasize a point that truly has no point. I applaud the convolution that you may have tried to achieve… but I can’t assign obligation to you. That would be assumptive and imparting responsibility…

All things considered, you've only afforded credence to my previous statements, and further monotony with the perpetuation of an argument lacking content... it is simply a contradictory and inflammatory exercise that revolves in circles. Alas, not any longer. There’s nothing to refute unless you back-pedal further from your already questionable position.

Are my political beliefs better than yours?

… there's no need to respond with an answer if the question doesn't exist.


Elvis, you've been evicted.



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Old 01-27-2004, 11:53 AM   #51
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Are my political beliefs better than yours?

… there's no need to respond with an answer if the question doesn't exist.


The question exists, it's the opening of this thread.

Again, I didn't ask for you or anyone else to try to dispute the question - I'm very well aware of how it can be disputed. By attempting to prove this to myself and others, you're really not achieving anything besides floating your own boat.

I asked for a reply to a specific question, not a debate about the question. Really, even for you, could that be so hard to respect?

I'm the property owner here.
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Re: Are your political beliefs better than mine?

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Keep your reply strictly about your beliefs.
Pinball... what about this line didn't you understand?
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If I don´t know yours, I can´t argue about why I think mine are better.

There´s also a difference in what term you use, imho the term political matters. If it was about spiritual beliefs, there is nothing to argue about - even if I´d know about your spiritual beliefs.

On the other hand, for the sake of possibilities, there are politicians who may assume their political beliefs are better than yours because they´re more powerful than you.
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I asked for a reply to a specific question, not a debate about the question....I'm the property owner here.
1. Surely you realized in your initial post that the very nature and wording of your question inherently invites debate. What you're asking people to do is essentially like asking philosophers to respond without using reasoning.

2. Property owner yes, but I learned in kindergarten that even when my friends came to play in my sandbox, I still had to play by the same rules of fairness as I did in their sandboxes.

A number of people have attempted to post thoughtful responses but it doesn't seem any of them are to your liking. Perhaps you see it as a simple question but it isn't - its like one of those "If a tree falls in the woods...." questions that is impossible to answer directly or conclusively. I sense several people are getting frustrated- perhaps you can explain, without the impatience I'm sensing, what it is you want from us or what is the point you are trying to get across?
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get out the lifejackets.

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Tell me why your political beliefs are better than mine.

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posted, actually originally from this thread, but removed and placed into this thread

I posted this with a specific purpose. Besides, I didn't ask 'are they better', I asked to tell me why they are better.
contradiction n. : a statement or phrase whose parts contradict each other

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The point of the thread is to answer the 'question', not to write a response and then delete it
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Are your political beliefs better than mine?
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Actually, there are some excellent answers here..... some very well thought out answers

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Tell me why your political beliefs are better than mine.
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You're also assuming that there is an intent.

The point of this thread is not to analyze why I started it, but to analyze the 'question' and respond with an answer.

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By attempting to prove this to myself and others, you're really not achieving anything besides floating your own boat.
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1. Surely you realized in your initial post that the very nature and wording of your question inherently invites debate. What you're asking people to do is essentially like asking philosophers to respond without using reasoning.

2. Property owner yes, but I learned in kindergarten that even when my friends came to play in my sandbox, I still had to play by the same rules of fairness as I did in their sandboxes.

A number of people have attempted to post thoughtful responses but it doesn't seem any of them are to your liking. Perhaps you see it as a simple question but it isn't - its like one of those "If a tree falls in the woods...." questions that is impossible to answer directly or conclusively. I sense several people are getting frustrated- perhaps you can explain, without the impatience I'm sensing, what it is you want from us or what is the point you are trying to get across?

1. Some have used reason in their replies.

2. Don't let that statement be taken out of context... He said "Elvis, you've been evicted.", and I simply responded with a factual statement.

The people that have posted thoughtful 'answers' I appreciate... as that is all I asked for. It's a simple question, with endlessly complex possibilities for answers. This wasn't intended to be a debate, an argument, or a way to make an example out of anyone.... sadly though... some people have pushed it those directions.

To answer a question... to just give your thoughts in response... without a pursuing debate... why is that so hard for some? why must they dig deeper in an attempt to undermine something without ill intent?

Have you never asked a question of someone just to see what response they would give?
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Old 01-28-2004, 07:03 AM   #57
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1. Some have used reason in their replies.

2. Don't let that statement be taken out of context... He said "Elvis, you've been evicted.", and I simply responded with a factual statement.

The people that have posted thoughtful 'answers' I appreciate... as that is all I asked for. It's a simple question, with endlessly complex possibilities for answers. This wasn't intended to be a debate, an argument, or a way to make an example out of anyone.... sadly though... some people have pushed it those directions.

To answer a question... to just give your thoughts in response... without a pursuing debate... why is that so hard for some? why must they dig deeper in an attempt to undermine something without ill intent?

Have you never asked a question of someone just to see what response they would give?
Okay, in regards to someone saying you've been evicted, I concede your property owner comment was appropriate and I took it out of context. Sorry.

In regards to those replies you say have used reason, perhaps if you highlighted a few people's responses favourably then others would have a clearer picture as to what you're looking for.

It is hard for some (most?) because you have asked a question which inherently invites debate. On this point I'm not budging (lol, and when I decide not to budge hell can freeze over around me). Unless a person is completely arrogant and narrow minded in his/ her convictions, he/she cannot simply categorically claim his /her beliefs are superior to yours without even knowing what your beliefs are.

In a nutshell you are asking rational people to respond to an irrational question. Paradoxically, in order to give you the rational response you desire, they must think irrationally to comply.


And yes, of course I ask questions. But I don't try to control the responses.
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Elvis, threads derail all the time. Even with requests not to by the author. You don't have to refer to others in 3rd person to make a point either. Not undermining you, quite the contrary as I'd say this to anyone
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when I decide not to budge hell can freeze over around me
I'll vouch for that!
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In a nutshell you are asking rational people to respond to an irrational question. Paradoxically, in order to give you the rational response you desire, they must think irrationally to comply.

People have options....
to answer the question.... or not to answer the question.

To not answer the question is as much of a response as someone who answers it.
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