redhotswami
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Irvine!!!! DC - Green line represent what what!
redhotswami said:Irvine!!!! DC - Green line represent what what!
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:It seems to me that many posts in this thread are defining feminism as equal rights for men and women?
I guess I've always understood feminism to be something above and beyond equal rights, like women need certain things more than men and certain things less because they are women and because it is somehow owed to them. In this sense, I've never been much of a feminist because arguing that I deserve special treatment because I'm a woman kind of succombs to the whole stereotype of being a lesser person and not being able to fend for myself.
I believe in equitable, not necessarily equal, rights. For example, women's restrooms need more stalls than men's. To me, this is more common sense speaking than "feminism". I don't have this "woe is me the women, I deserve preferential treatment" attitiude that I see coming (usually unintentionally) from most of the feminists I know.
partygirlvox said:
I didn't realise feminists went round saying "woe is me the women, I deserve preferential treatment" - i thought they said things more along the lines of 'men and women deserve equal treatment, in the workplace and out of it' etc.
Or am i wrong?
Golightly Grrl said:
Bono, to me, seems like a feminist. He's married to a smart, sharp, kick ass woman and is very proud of her accomplishments. There are men women in the U2 organization who are doing a lot more than answering phones and fetching coffee. And I'm sure Bono wants his daughters to have the same opportunities in life as his sons.
Golightly Grrl said:
And women can be major anti-feminists and mysognists. Take Dr. Laura and Phyllis Schlafly-please.
INDY500 said:
So feminism is monolithic in structure and thought, with a strict orthodoxy, and a code of purism that doesn't allow for dissent?
partygirlvox said:
I wonder if Bono actually considers himself a feminist though? I hope so, I have a greater respect for men that do.
Irvine511 said:
i am on the Green Line. every morning.
INDY500 said:
So feminism is monolithic in structure and thought, with a strict orthodoxy, and a code of purism that doesn't allow for dissent?
I think that SSEd is a fine choice for a proper education, I myself was in a state school and got a co-ed; I found that there were times when the subject matter - especially in the humanities subjects was skewed and really disengaged me; the danger is compromising co-ed education by emphasisng methods that work well for girls at the expense of boys; and a lack of male teachers seems like it could be part of that.redhotswami said:
I think I missed the post you are responding to...but are you referring to single sex education?
Actually the danger right now is the current education system. It has been proven many times over that women & men do better in single sex classes. AND, research has also shown that the sooner the sexes are separated (like, in first level education), the better, due to the nature of the interactions between them.
Now, reforming the system to promote SSEd might result in again a separate but equal problem...
Anyway, sadly it appears as though women's colleges may diminish. Many are at least considering going co-ed...and Randolph Macon Woman's College, one that definitely stood out, has ultimately decided to do so.
Oh and by the way, the english dictionary actually defines feminism as supporting equal rights (not just promotion of women), and is not limited to sex, but also includes race and others...I wasn't expecting that definition!
redhotswami said:
I think I read a somewhere Bono saying he was a feminist...and then referencing the "woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" lyric in tttyaatw.
martha said:
Schlafly is no feminist; she's a hypocrite, a mysogynist, and a homophobe.
She doesn't dissent; she loathes.
Irvine511 said:and her gay son is quite well known in the NYC Leather Bar circuit.
i mean, i'm just saying.
A_Wanderer said:the danger is compromising co-ed education by emphasisng methods that work well for girls at the expense of boys; and a lack of male teachers seems like it could be part of that.
martha said:
He's got to be a self-loathing, miserable guy. He's her assistant when she's working.
Irvine511 said:i once saw her on a talk show, and someone asked her about how she had once written that gay children are the result of bad parenting, the whole "weak fathers, overbearing mother" Freudian-lite explanation.
the question was: "how did you teach your son to be gay?"
it was a great moment.
BonoVoxSupastar said:In the US women may have equal rights on paper for the most part, but in reality there is still a huge gap... And I will voice that until the gap is closed.
MrsSpringsteen said:
As for me I believe feminism is all about freedom and choice and having choices. I truly do admire women who choose motherhood as their sole career if they can afford that financially-it's a very important career and job ( ultimately the most important, I think). Feminism is about supporting each other, and each other's choices.
partygirlvox said:
'lets support women in everything they do.'
Golightly Grrl said:I wrote an article about feminism. I'll have to find it and post it here.
It may take me a while to find the disk, but once I find it, I'll post it. I had it published in a school publication.partygirlvox said:
That would be really interesting, please do!