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Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
I've never quite understood. I thought the idea of considering race when reviewing an application was exactly one of the things Dr. Martin Luther King stood against. I thought the civil rights movement was all about not looking at a person's skin color, but rather at who they are on the inside, in the case of employment and education issues, who is the best qualified for the job or most qualified for the school (grades).And now you've got the "reverend" Jessie Jackson al in favor of it.
Originally posted by speedracer:
There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that students who are given such advantages don't do as well in college and are less likely to graduate than others.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
I'd like to see some links posted to some unbiased studies in this regard, if you don't mind. If there's quite a bit of evidence it shouldn't be hard to find.
I don't give a flying fig if he's ordained or not. I don't care if he becomes the Pope!Being ordained does not make him a holy man of God. The man cheated on his wife at least once, is suspected of having more than one illegitimate child with more than one mistress. Not only that, he speaks words of hate out the wazoo. The man speaks greatly about wanting the black man to succeed. But he's talking through his hat. He is actually one of the black man's worst enemies. He wants the black man to fail - because that's where his power is. That's why he's always telling his constituents that this is the white man's world; because he wants them to believe it and be dragged down by it. If he can fool people into thinking they need a leader, he's more than happy to step into those powerful shoes.Originally posted by gabrielvox:
Personally I find the way both you and 80s enclose his proper title of Rev. in quotation marks to be unwarrantedly sarcastic and plain disrespectful.
Just because you two perhaps don't view him as a valid person of the cloth is irrelevant. Last time I checked he was an ordained minister, so respect him as such.
And btw, so he's a little bit fiery in his views...at least he's not raping and molesting little boys.
Shame on the both of you.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
so he's a little bit fiery in his views
Originally posted by U2Bama:
I find that is irreverant as your statement in another thread that "peaceful Israeli" is the "oxymoron of the year."
But when I feel that they blatantly violate their creed, they are "IRreverant," much like "reverend" Jimmy Swaggart, "reverend" Jim Bakker or "reverend" Paul Shanley.
Blah blah blah...80s kiss my god-fearin lily white ass
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
Sorry, Im not going to pay much attention to data that is 10 years old.
Not only that, but you have to realize that these students are largely a product of a debatably discriminatory school system that has only recently gotten a little more even-handed in the way it 'helps' all its young students along to be ready for college.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
I wouldn't argue with it at all speedracer, I would agree that it is all the more evidence that the system is not serving minorities well and that it needs major overhaul from Kindergarten on up. Unfortunately, all things are not currently equal and so those who are a product of this flawed system need to be given a proper chance.
Im not just talking out of my hat here either, Ive experienced first hand what devastating effect a teacher's discrimination can do to a young students marks and psyche.
I'm just not sure what point exactly you are trying to make, or might it be along the same lines as the "professor" who concluded that minorities are more genetically predisposed to a lower iq than whites and thus are less deserving of the opportunity? I hope not.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
I wouldn't argue with it at all speedracer, I would agree that it is all the more evidence that the system is not serving minorities well and that it needs major overhaul from Kindergarten on up. Unfortunately, all things are not currently equal and so those who are a product of this flawed system need to be given a proper chance.
Originally posted by sulawesigirl4:
This is what I?ve heard most of my African-American friends say when we discuss this topic. And I?m inclined to agree. There is such a thing as ?white privilege? and many times it is a very subtle thing that those of us in the majority never see or have cause to worry about. For example, take myself and my good friend Rick. I grew up in a middle-class white family, both my parents went to higher education, and the assumption within our family and our peers was that one went to college. It was just a given. I was praised when I did well in school, encouraged to take classes that were difficult, and given a good environment in which to do my homework. To sum it up; the odds were strongly in my favor. Contrast this with my friend Rick. He grew up in the inner-city of Chicago. Because his parents had split, he lived with his grandmother and had to dodge gangs and occasional shootings to and from school. Value wasn?t placed on doing well in school and he had to resist the peer pressure to become involved in violence and drugs. And yet somehow he managed to get through it and ended up at the same private college that I did, but on a very large scholarship due to the fact that he is black. Do I resent the fact that I paid more for the same education as he did? Not at all. It may not be ?fair? but I feel that it?s in the best interest of all of us to foster diversity especially in a place like my small school which has been and still is predominantly made up of white middle/upper class evangelical Christians. Not to mention that Rick now has the chance to not be just another statistic. He has a chance at a better life than the rest of his family and has the chance to positively impact others. And maybe when he has a family, he will be able to give his children the gifts that my parents gave me, and little by little the playing field will become more level.
I don?t know. Like I said, it?s not a perfect system, but I feel that our fate as a nation is bound up in how well we will conquer the insidious disease of racism. It?s a critical issue that deserves our attention and needs to be solved in whatever way we can go about it.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
I wouldn't argue with it at all speedracer, I would agree that it is all the more evidence that the system is not serving minorities well and that it needs major overhaul from Kindergarten on up. Unfortunately, all things are not currently equal and so those who are a product of this flawed system need to be given a proper chance.
As you know, I had said I wouldn't respond to anything you wrote from here on out. But I've changed my mind, because I don't wanna leave you hanging.Originally posted by gabrielvox:
Alright 80s, lets break it down to its lowest form. I am hurt. I am deeply hurt and I ask you to answer this question then:
Can you or can you not accept me as your brother in Christ because I don't believe that my Lord, my Shepherd, my Savior, the one who gave Himself to me so that I may approach His Father, and the one to whom I bow as humble servant as He takes his place as my King at the right hand of His Father, Jah, Jehovah, Yahweh, et al, that He is not Himself God?
Because in those other heated battles you refer to, your answer to that question was hurtful.
I felt like my faith was under attack, and its a vital part of my existence, so I fought back wrongly and hurtfully.
I humbly retract those things as I realize I was lashing out hurtingly. I'm sorry.
[This message has been edited by gabrielvox (edited 05-15-2002).]
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
As for white students being cheated out of a chance or passed over, keep in perspective that nationwide there is still a far greater proportion of minority students who suffer from this than white students. Regardless of whether we see it or want to acknowledge it, white privilege is very much alive and well.
I'm sorry that you think I used it as a springboard. That was not my intention. I was simply explaining why I do not believe that someone who denies the diety of Christ is a Christian.Originally posted by gabrielvox:
And again you use your reply as a springboard to restate your intolerant opinion. you simply have to love me and accept me as your Christian brother. That was the second half of the greatest commandment Jesus gave us, as you will recall.
I warn you of the danger of an intolerant belief, out of Christian love for you.
Gabriel
I'm sorry that you think I used it as a springboard. That was not my intention. I was simply explaining why I do not believe that someone who denies the diety of Christ is a Christian.
However, there is nothing in there about accepting people as Christian brothers.
The deity of Christ is one of the most important issues that a person must decide on.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
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