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Old 11-03-2004, 10:32 AM   #106
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let's annalyze this for a second...

the states that approved the gay marrage ban are arkansas, georgia, kentucky, michigan, mississippi, montana, north dakota, ohio, oklahoma, oregon and utah

all of those states went for bush with the exception of michigan and oregon

--bush won arkansas 55% to 44%, the gay marrage ban won 75% to 25%
--bush won georgia 59% to 41%, the gay marrage ban won 77% to 23%
--bush won kentucky 60% to 40$, the gay marrage ban won 75% to 25%
--kerry won michigan 51% to 48%, the gay marrage ban won 59% to 41%
--bush won mississippi 60% to 40%, the gay marrage ban won 86% to 14%
--bush won montana 59% to 39%, the gay marrage ban won 66% to 44%
--bush won north dakota 63% to 36%, the gay marrage ban won 73% to 27%
--bush won ohio 51% to 49%, the gay marrage ban won 62% to 38%
--bush won oklahoma 66% to 34%, the gay marrage ban won 76% to 24%
--kerry won oregon 52% to 47%, the gay marrage ban won 57% to 43%
--bush won utah 71% to 37%, the gay marrage ban won 66% to 34%

the point? many kerry voters voted for the gay marrage ban. in every state, the % of people who voted for the ban was more than the % of people who voted for bush, with the exception of utah... where more people actually voted for bush than voted for the ban. people from the south, midwest, north and west, red states and blue states, voted for the ban. to use this as the reason kerry lost would be, at best, an incomplete reason.



on a side note, if this ever came up for vote in new york, i would vote against the ban.
Yay, Utah!!!
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Old 11-03-2004, 10:35 AM   #107
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We should have let the south leave when they wanted to. Any place you would ever want to raise a family went democratic.
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Old 11-03-2004, 10:37 AM   #108
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i was about to make a post about class in defeat, but then i remembered my post after the red sox won, thus i'll just shut up.
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Old 11-03-2004, 10:39 AM   #109
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Then how come anti-gay legislation passed in states that 90% of the time went to Bush? Doesn't that embarass you?
Kerry supported the legistlation defining marriage in all these states (based on his comments about the issue - leaving it to the states). The voice from both sides was the same.
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We should have let the south leave when they wanted to. Any place you would ever want to raise a family went democratic.
I'm from one of the old Confederacy states, Alabama. I hate to think what kind of politics we'd have if we'd stayed a separate country. I mean, we are still stuck with a stupid Constitution dating from 1901, which has all sorts of exclusionary laws in it. Then again maybe people up east and such would rather have us out. Hey, let's start a war.
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i was about to make a post about class in defeat, but then i remembered my post after the red sox won, thus i'll just shut up.
Curt Schilling has established himself as the ultimate difference-maker.
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Relax people. Bush winning isn't the end of the world...


...yet.
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Curt Schilling has established himself as the ultimate difference-maker.
i love you george... i love you, too, curt
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Old 11-03-2004, 11:02 AM   #114
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I do... and I voted for Bush.

And the people from Long Island, where it was a virtual tie between bush and kerry... they too, know what it was like. Same with the people from northern jersey, where bush won.
My vote cancelled out your vote, Headache. I'm about 15 minutes from you on Long Island.

And I hope like hell that for your sake, Bush doesn't institute a draft. You're funny and have great taste in rock bands and are very, very likeable. I don't want to see you get drafted.
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How many times does Bush have to say he's not instituting a draft before people believe him?

That topic is ridiculous, and pure speculation.
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Ronan - I applaud you!

I agree COMPLETELY with your inital post.

I do not care to debate the US presidential election (I actually have better things to do), but I will state my last comment on it in this thread to show my support for those, especially from abroad, who simply can't fathom how the President was re-elected.

Bush's re-election is NOT the glorious event that his supporters would have us beLIEve.

Three years ago, Bush had the support of nearly 80% of the American people after 9/11 - in the intervening years, his mismanagement of the "war on terror" (and the sinking hole of national debt that he has incurred in fighting this "war") and of the American economy (as it affects the American working class) managed to only get him a 51% to 48% win over his opponent.

HARDLY AN OVERWHELMING MANDATE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

If Bush was my candidate, I would be hoping that no one would bring up the DECREASING SUPPORT FOR BUSH which has spread across America!

Bush is the FIRST President to almost lose re-election during "wartime" - how is that something to celebrate?

So while Bush has sufficiently "bushwacked" enough American voters to barely win re-election, he knows that HE BARELY SURVIVED by the skin of his teeth.

How is that something to be proud of?
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Ronan - I applaud you!

I agree COMPLETELY with your inital post.

I do not care to debate the US presidential election (I actually have better things to do), but I will state my last comment on it in this thread to show my support for those, especially from abroad, who simply can't fathom how the President was re-elected.

Bush's re-election is NOT the glorious event that his supporters would have us beLIEve.

Three years ago, Bush had the support of nearly 80% of the American people after 9/11 - in the intervening years, his mismanagement of the "war on terror" (and the sinking hole of national debt that he has incurred in fighting this "war") and of the American economy (as it affects the American working class) managed to only get him a 51% to 48% win over his opponent.

HARDLY AN OVERWHELMING MANDATE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

If Bush was my candidate, I would be hoping that no one would bring up the DECREASING SUPPORT FOR BUSH which has spread across America!

Bush is the FIRST President to almost lose re-election during "wartime" - how is that something to celebrate?

So while Bush has sufficiently "bushwacked" enough American voters to barely win re-election, he knows that HE BARELY SURVIVED by the skin of his teeth.

How is that something to be proud of?
I'm sure he knows he has a lot of work to do. In fact, he admitted it.
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managed to only get him a 51% to 48% win over his opponent.

HARDLY AN OVERWHELMING MANDATE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
bill clinton never even recieved 50% of the popular vote in his two election victories.

is it overwhelming? no... but it's still a majority, which clinton didn't get in two terms, nor did bush in 2000. so in reality, the support for bush has actually gone up since the 2000 election.
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Jamila,

Did you read the paper this morning?

Bush got more votes than any prior President in history.

The GOP gained seats in the House and Senate.


I guess you are missing the motivations, concerns, beliefs, priorities of those who voted for the GOP.
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We should have let the south leave when they wanted to. Any place you would ever want to raise a family went democratic.
Just your opinion, not fact.
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