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Old 09-09-2005, 07:51 PM   #46
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Being involved with the construction industry in some way or another for many many years of my life, I just don't see how this is possible. Not having fixed rates will just allow for taking advantage of laborers. It also allows for contractors to pad their side of the bid.
A few things to keep in mind:

Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are right to work states, and have lower costs of living than the northeast, midwest and west coast regions. The standards of wages required by Davis-Bacon could possibly increase the costs of recovery above what it would be if the Feds were not involved.

There are a number of minority contractos in this region who, along with other small business contractors, feel the effects of minimum union wage restrictions harder than larger contractors, and it is these small contractors (minority and non-minority alike) who have had issues with Davis-Bacon.

Since Hurricane Ivan (September 2004) and Hurrice Dennis (July 2005), construction costs in this region (and extending into the Florida panhandle) have increased significantly due to scarcity of materials and labor.

And I am familiar with all of this in my line of work as well.

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The standards of wages required by Davis-Bacon could possibly increase the costs of recovery above what it would be if the Feds were not involved.
But often when you have forced reduction of wages the end cost really isn't that much less in the long run because you'll have a reduction of quality that will often require having to go back and redo some work.

And that doesn't even take in effect those that spike material costs, contractors increasing their costs due to working with inexperienced crews, etc etc. There are so many factors and this reduction will do nothing to very little to help with costs.
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But often when you have forced reduction of wages the end cost really isn't that much less in the long run because you'll have a reduction of quality that will often require having to go back and redo some work.

My position is that requiring wages as determined based on union wages will increase the cost of labor over the prevailing market wage in the AL/MS/LA area. It sounds almost like union price gouging of labor. I do think the workers should be paid at least the prevailing market wage for their type of work in the AL/MS/LA area during the rebuild. I just don't think the wages should be inflated to union-state standards.

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Mr.Brown should do the right thing and resign..

I couldnt believe it when I heard him say on tv that he didnt understand why people didnt evacuate the city

Well could it be that there were people that couldnt without the help?Umm like those in nursing homes,hospitals,homeless people,and people that depend on public transportation ect...


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Nothing, Irvine. Brown joins the ranks of cronies, such as Tom DeLay, Trent Lott himself (maybe God was punishing him for that racist remark he made last year, that caused such an uproar), etc. I always wondered if Bush's policy of never firing his appointees beuause it would make himself (George W Bush, not as much the Republican Party) look bad would be put to the test by some true national catastrophe. Now we have our answer. The ball is now in the meida's court, to continue the stories, to ratchet up the pressure, and not let this guy off the hook. Everything that has been done so far has been in response to public pressure (which ios actullay media pressure..all those stories on the nightly news that won't go away.) Now is the time for marches, angry torrents of emial to your Senator etc, but the people are still too much like sheep wating to be led.

I was talking to a friend about this today, how the "liberal media' actually tormented Democrat Johnson as well as Republican Bush, and how it was Dan Rather's boss, "Uncle Walter", who used to, on his liberal station CBS broadcast, nightly close the program with "And this is the 145th day that the hostages are in Iran." Many say this is what drove Democrat Carter out of a second term. So much for the "liberal" media.

In the past, before the passage of the 1998 Telecommunications Act, it would have been impossible for arbitrary censorship or enforced editorial slant to be enacted. But now it is. I'm sure the final death toll won;t be highter than 3000 for example...

So even though there is anational catastrophe that has cost thousdnas of lives, Bush is still hanging on to his cronies. And there seems to be nothing we can do to stop him. A year from now, when the next big hurricane hits, he'll be in his old job, and someone else will run it behind the scenes, the effort, but he will take public credit for a god performance. Frankly, I'm scared. What kind of a "leader" do we have, when he gives these people a shot at "redemption"? Just for political purposes? Tell me, all of you professionals out there, would YOU keep a person like this on the job, so he can "redeem" himself later? Or would you get rid of an obvious problem that is threat to your comapny's image and profits? Company America has just had one of the most dismal fourth quarters in its history, and those at the top level as well as the bottom should be removed. You can't run the company with losers in sitting at the chair of the Board of Directors.

I have my answer. It's in the public's court now. No one is going to removed unles a court can come up with criminal evidence against him..which means bringing incriminating documents to light. Which can only be done through a Comission....

The fact that so many people in the Adminisration who have committed nakedly criminal acts so boldly and publicy remain in power--the unspoken motto is, "I won't get rid of him unless a court forces me to, but I've made damn sure a court would find it legally impossible"--it;s a MORAL thing. Before, it's a test of politics. Now, we are talking American lives.


I have my answer now, and I'm frankly scared.
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Federal Emergency Management Agency director Mike Brown said Monday he has resigned "in the best interest of the agency and best interest of the president," three days after losing his onsite command of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.


"The focus has got to be on FEMA, what the people are trying to do down there," Brown told The Associated Press.
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i think Bush should resign too.

he hired the guy.



i got that suggestion from Bill Maher last Friday night:



And finally, New Rule: America must recall the president. That's - that's what this country needs. A good, old-fashioned, California-style recall election! Complete with Gary Coleman, porno actresses and action film stars. And just like Schwarzenegger's predecessor here in California, George Bush is now so unpopular, he must defend his jog against ... Russell Crowe. Because at this point, I want a leader who will throw a phone at somebody. In fact, let's have only phone throwers. Naomi Campbell can be the vice-president!

Now, I kid, but seriously, Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you anymore. There's no more money to spend. You used up all of that. You can't start another war because you also used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.

Yeah, listen to your mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit card's maxed out, and no one is speaking to you: mission accomplished!

Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away.

Like you did with your military service. And the oil company. And the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or spaceman?!

Now, I know what you're saying. You're saying that there's so many other things that you, as president, could involve yourself in ... Please don't. I know, I know, there's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela, and eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote. But, sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man.

Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire metropolis to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two Trade Centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans...Maybe you're just not lucky!

I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So, yes, God does speak to you, and what he's saying is, "Take a hint."
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I thought he was doing a heckuva job???

Big turnaround,huh...major damage control.
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notice, all, again, that NO ONE WAS FIRED.

and his reason for resigning was to take the media's heat off the president.
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notice, all, again, that NO ONE WAS FIRED.

and his reason for resigning was to take the media's heat off the president.
To be honest, is anyone at that level of government ever "fired." They almost always "resign."

But I hope this is not the end of it. FEMA needs major fixing on an organizational level as well.
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Big turnaround,huh...major damage control.

maybe he will follow his mentor

Allbaugh

Allbaugh left FEMA

to cash in on contracts of Iraq war
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R. David Paulison, head of FEMA's emergency preparedness force, will lead the beleaguered agency, according to three administration sources who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

Paulison is a career firefighter from Miami who was among emergency workers responding to Hurricane Andrew in 1992 and the crash of ValuJet Flight 592 in the Florida Everglades in 1996, according to a biography posted on FEMA's Web site. He also has led the U.S. Fire Administration since December 2001, according to the site.

As chief of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department, Paulison led 1,900 personnel under a $200 million operating budget. He was also in charge of Dade County's emergency management office, according to his biography.
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FEMA Director Michael Brown as Baghdad Bob

"There are no unfed Americans in Astrodome. Never!"
"My feelings - as usual - we will take care of them all"
"Our initial assessment is that they will all be OK"
"I blame CNN - they are marketing for the looters!"
"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of MREs."
"They're coming to surrender or be tucked away in the dome."
"No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"
"Be assured. Orleans is safe, protected"

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i think Bush should resign too.

he hired the guy.



i got that suggestion from Bill Maher last Friday night:



And finally, New Rule: America must recall the president. That's - that's what this country needs. A good, old-fashioned, California-style recall election! Complete with Gary Coleman, porno actresses and action film stars. And just like Schwarzenegger's predecessor here in California, George Bush is now so unpopular, he must defend his jog against ... Russell Crowe. Because at this point, I want a leader who will throw a phone at somebody. In fact, let's have only phone throwers. Naomi Campbell can be the vice-president!

Now, I kid, but seriously, Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you anymore. There's no more money to spend. You used up all of that. You can't start another war because you also used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.

Yeah, listen to your mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit card's maxed out, and no one is speaking to you: mission accomplished!

Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away.

Like you did with your military service. And the oil company. And the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or spaceman?!

Now, I know what you're saying. You're saying that there's so many other things that you, as president, could involve yourself in ... Please don't. I know, I know, there's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela, and eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote. But, sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man.

Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire metropolis to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two Trade Centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans...Maybe you're just not lucky!

I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So, yes, God does speak to you, and what he's saying is, "Take a hint."

I saw the show, several times now, and checked the site on Saturday, but the info was not up on the HBO site. Thank You

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