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Old 09-09-2005, 03:44 PM   #31
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It is very difficult to fire government employees absent due process. You can take them off the job, but not the payroll.


Good point. But they can always be "asked to resign." In such a high profile instance as this though, I don't know if that's possible without looking even more foolish, now that they've once again said how they trust him as the head of FEMA

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Besides, what are we after. Improvements to the relief efforts or Brown's head?
While firing Brown probably won't help the relief efforts for Katrina, he still needs to be removed. Do anyone honestly trust him to adequately prepare for "other challenges and threats (that) remain around the world"?
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still, Bush hasn't fired him.

it boggles the mind.
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We're paying the poor less than minimum wage to aid in the rebuilding?
Really? Do you have a cite for this?
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Really? Do you have a cite for this?
I think you saw it in the other thread.
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:07 PM   #35
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If this is regarding the Executive Order, look for my response. The Executive Order does not drop wages below the minimum wage level. It only avoids the payent of union wages, sometimes inflated as much as 38% over prevailing construction wages.

More people will have jobs during the reconstruction.
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If this is regarding the Executive Order, look for my response. The Executive Order does not drop wages below the minimum wage level. It only avoids the payent of union wages, sometimes inflated as much as 38% over prevailing construction wages.

More people will have jobs during the reconstruction.
But it still reduces the minimum wages these laborers are use to and have built their lives on.

Yes it saves on tax dollars. Tax dollars that have been cut and cut. All I see is a trickle down effect that screws the poor more and more. You cut taxes for the rich, so when the tax dollars are needed you pay the poor less. Makes a lot of sense to me.
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But it still reduces the minimum wages these laborers are use to and have built their lives on.

Yes it saves on tax dollars. Tax dollars that have been cut and cut. All I see is a trickle down effect that screws the poor more and more. You cut taxes for the rich, so when the tax dollars are needed you pay the poor less. Makes a lot of sense to me.
It would potentially prevent a select group of individuals from getting the wages they are use to. Not all construction workers are unionized and all would receive market rates. With a huge demand for construction labor, many more will benefit than would with the fixed rates.
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But a source close to Brown, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the FEMA director had been considering leaving after the hurricane season ended in November and that Friday’s action virtually assures his departure....

Asked ahead of the announcement if he was being made a scapegoat, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause: "By the press, yes. By the president, no."

“I’m anxious to get back to D.C. to correct all the inaccuracies and lies that are being said,” Brown said.
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Ah, the "I was going to leave anyway" exit.
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While firing Brown probably won't help the relief efforts for Katrina, he still needs to be removed. Do anyone honestly trust him to adequately prepare for "other challenges and threats (that) remain around the world"?
I agree. As a resident of Hurricane Alley, I don't feel like fooling with this guy's bungling any more. I wish to hell they'd take FEMA out of Homeland Security as well.
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It would potentially prevent a select group of individuals from getting the wages they are use to. Not all construction workers are unionized and all would receive market rates. With a huge demand for construction labor, many more will benefit than would with the fixed rates.
Being involved with the construction industry in some way or another for many many years of my life, I just don't see how this is possible. Not having fixed rates will just allow for taking advantage of laborers. It also allows for contractors to pad their side of the bid.
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Ah, the "I was going to leave anyway" exit.

still, no one gets fired.

i don't understand.

just what does one have to do?
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just what does one have to do?
commit a crime, right?
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just what does one have to do?
Speak out against Bush. That's the only crime this administration acknowledges.
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commit a crime, right?


calling Karl Rove ... calling Karl Rove ...
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