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Old 09-09-2005, 01:57 PM   #16
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Now it's truly a militarized zone

At least he's got to be better than Brown, he still should be fired.
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Oh, Brown's not being removed because he did a bad job. He's being removed so he can prepare "for other hurricanes" that might occur.

“Other challenges and threats remain around the world,” and Brown is needed to prepare for those, Chertoff said at a news conference in Baton Rouge.

Chertoff said the Brown "did all that he could do" for Katrina relief efforts.

Yeah, except turn on the tv to find out that there was no water at the Superdome. But other than that, he did just great .
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Oh, Brown's not being removed because he did a bad job. He's being removed so he can prepare "for other hurricanes" that might occur.

Chertoff said the Brown "did all that he could do" for Katrina relief efforts.

Yeah, except turn on the tv to find out that there was no water at the Superdome. But other than that, he did just great .
to be fair, the lack of preparations at the Superdome is not the fault of FEMA, rather the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana.

that said, their job in response to the tragedy has been unacceptible and brown should lose his job.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:19 PM   #19
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Michael Brown oversaw 160+ disaster relief efforts during his tenure and was commended on several occasions by numerous publications for his effective leadership during those crises.

Unfortunately, he dropped the ball on this one and therefore his record is tarnished.
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to be fair, the lack of preparations at the Superdome is not the fault of FEMA, rather the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana.

that said, their job in response to the tragedy has been unacceptible and brown should lose his job.
True.

It just angers me that the administration still publicly backs him (although I think things might be different in private). Not for a second do I actually believe that he's being removed so he can focus on other things.
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Oops,I was trying to quote.
I screwed up. Which means W should appoint me as head of some computer dept. or literature agency at the least.
Anyway, my intial point was that yes he was commended on several occasions.
He was commended two days ago by George. He called him Brownie and gave him a thumbs up.
I guess it wasn't really sincere huh?
Do you believe everything you read?
If so, I've got a resume for you.
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Re: AP - Michael Brown being removed from managing Katrina Relief

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I'd say that's a good thing.
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Thank goodness they're taking him out. He's screwed up big time.
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Michael Brown oversaw 160+ disaster relief efforts during his tenure and was commended on several occasions by numerous publications for his effective leadership during those crises.

Unfortunately, he dropped the ball on this one and therefore his record is tarnished.


TIME thinks he padded his resume:

When President Bush nominated Michael Brown to head the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in 2003, Brown's boss at the time, Joe Allbaugh, declared, "the President couldn't have chosen a better man to help...prepare and protect the nation." But how well was he prepared for the job? Since Hurricane Katrina, the FEMA director has come under heavy criticism for his performance and scrutiny of his background, and Friday was relieved of his duties handling the disaster response. Now, an investigation by TIME has found discrepancies in his online legal profile and official bio, including a description of Brown released by the White House at the time of his nomination in 2001 to the job as deputy chief of FEMA. (Brown became Director of FEMA, succeeding Allbaugh, in 2003.)

Before joining FEMA, his only previous stint in emergency management, according to his bio posted on FEMA's website, was "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight." The White House press release from 2001 stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME. "Department heads did not report to him." Brown did do a good job at his humble position, however, according to his boss. "Yes. Mike Brown worked for me. He was my administrative assistant. He was a student at Central State University," recalls former city manager Bill Dashner. "Mike used to handle a lot of details. Every now and again I'd ask him to write me a speech. He was very loyal. He was always on time. He always had on a suit and a starched white shirt."

there's more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/prin...103003,00.html
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I can only see this backfiring on the President. He is still on the payroll. He is still head of FEMA? Jeebus. Maybe he's heading back to washington for a medal...
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I can only see this backfiring on the President. He is still on the payroll. He is still head of FEMA? Jeebus. Maybe he's heading back to washington for a medal...
"Now Brownie, I want you to go back in your office and think about what you did . . .um, didn't do."
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I can only see this backfiring on the President. He is still on the payroll. He is still head of FEMA? Jeebus. Maybe he's heading back to washington for a medal...
It is very difficult to fire government employees absent due process. You can take them off the job, but not the payroll.

Besides, what are we after. Improvements to the relief efforts or Brown's head?
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Michael Brown oversaw 160+ disaster relief efforts during his tenure



You buy this?
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Besides, what are we after. Improvements to the relief efforts or Brown's head?
Um justice. We're paying the poor less than minimum wage to aid in the rebuilding but we're paying government employees who aren't doing their job?

I hope his voters are proud.
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It is very difficult to fire government employees absent due process. You can take them off the job, but not the payroll.

Besides, what are we after. Improvements to the relief efforts or Brown's head?
You're right.. there is due process, and it shouldn't be circumvented. It definitely is a step in the right direction for relief efforts that he has been removed from Katrina efforts.

I still think though, if the man had any sense honor, he'd voluntarily resign... and I do think there should be a sense of duty from the President on behalf of the people, to get a new chief in the post as soon as possible. As far as I'm concerned, we're very vulnerable to another disaster.
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